to be pissed off about people who complain about how tired they are

[PunkrockerGirl]

I am not including parents with babies or young children. Or people with older children with disabilities.
I mean people like my colleague who bounces into work saying she's really tired because she's only had 5 hours sleep. This is a one off for her, she says she sleeps well normally but we should make allowances for her today.
I would donate a limb/kidney for 5 hours sleep. Average between 3-4 hours and don't expect allowances to be made for me.

I shrug it off. I'm tired all the time, chronically tired, due to shit health issues. Just because I'm tired doesn't mean others aren't allowed to be too nor does it mean others can't moan about it either.

Everyones problems are big to them

You can't help yawning, surely? Perhaps she should go and live in a box to avoid annoying you OP?

i don't know, i think everyone has a different concept of what an early morning/late night/disturbed night, is. it feels churlish, if someone is complaining that they are tired because they were woken at 5.30, to think, 'fuck me you don't know the half of it'.

i just make sympathetic noises and move on.

I'd go as far as saying if you chose to have kids, you almost have less reason to moan

this however, is annoying!

Definitely agree you adapt. Once my children started reliably sleeping through the odd bad night really threw me out of whack. It was almost as if I'd let my guard down. Whereas when they were dreadful I had low expectations for my own sleep.

If you're used to getting 3-4 hours a night, you get used to it and adapt. When I go through a phase of sleeping badly (3-4 hours a night for weeks), I feel better than when I've slept well for a weeks and then get one bad night.

Why so, hazey? You choose a lifestyle that will very likely leave you with less sleep, you can't then turn to other people and say 'what are you moaning about, you have no idea what tired is until you have a child'. It's a bit hypocritical, really, to expect more sympathy for your choice, whilst not giving any back. However, the rest of my post actually said that I don't deny anyone's right to say that they feel tired, regardless of their life circumstances.

Yawning isn't voluntary and it's generally caused by oxygen deprivation rather than being tired....

I need 8 hours too. I haven't had half that for a very long time. I think I'm allowed to be irritated at my colleague moaning and yawning about one bad night and expecting me to make allowances for her. I'm on my knees with tiredness but just get on with it.

If you complained about your 3/4 hours sleep I would have a lot of sympathy for you, seriously.

If I don't get lots of sleep I feel awful. Since I was a teenager I've had trouble sleeping, good and bad periods. A lot of my family are the same and when they talk about it I feel for them.
This holiday I was in a house with one of these relatives. When I was awake for up to eight hours a night I could hear him snoring next door most of the time. I still feel bad for him! He works full time & people need different amounts of sleep, so if they say they're tired and having a hard time I just believe them.

YABU I usually have 8 hours sleep a night, if I go into work and say I haven't slept and to make allowances it isn't because I'm bragging or getting out of anything. It's because without sleep I drop things, forget things. My motor skills are shit. So when I say I'm tired please make allowances it means if I forget something then please remind me nicely and I won't on top form like usual.

I'm a very hard worker, me and my boss and colleagues get on very well and luckily I know none of them are bitchy or sweat the small things on my odd off day.

To be fair mrsgently people may choose to have children, they don't choose to have a non sleeping child, or a disabled child who regularly needs help during the night!

Honestly, I cannot bear listening to anyone complaining about anything. If a friend had a real specific problem I would listen and try to help, but only if they wanted a solution and were prepared to try and help themselves. Saying that, I don't have friends who enjoy complaining.

Whinging just for the sake of it is poisonous, to yourself and to the people around you. It sucks the joy out of life and infects other people with negativity. It's also addictive and becomes a habit.

What IS the point of saying you are tired to someone who can't help ?
It's just pointless negativity, which will only make you feel worse.

I try to not complain unless it's going to make my life better; ie. complaining about a meal in a restaurant in order to get a replacement. The less I complain, the less I find I have to complain about.

i know its not a competition but here is my list im an occasional insomniac dd (15) is late to bed as she can't sleep ds 1 an early riser who also tries to stay awake late and needs taping to bed to get him to sleep at the moment ds2 falls asleep early BUT wakes up around midnight and cant get back to sleep till around 4/5 am just in time for his brother to wake up

my sleep is so fractured im shocked if i get any and im a single parent so no one to rely on

Sirzy, whilst of course no one would expect to have a child with long term needs, therefore the 'lack of sleep' issues becomes a far more sympathetic issues - those (including myself) who chose to have babies know the deal. Most young children will cause you severe lack of sleep. We chose to have them aware of this fact.

In another perspective, I currently have SPD. It hurts, but its a chance I took when I chose to become pregnant, along with other pains. I do moan about it, but I also understand I've done it to myself. I cannot roll my eyes at a friend who's twisted their ankle and think 'you have no idea what being uncomfortable and in pain is, live. You've never been pregnant'. Just as I wouldn't expect someone with a long term condition to think similar about me, because eventually I will (hopefully) be pain free. It's a case of accepting everyone is different, but at any moment we can be tired, albeit for different reasons. No one has a right to be 'more tired', therefore more entitled to moan.

There's a vast bloody difference between knowing babies wake in the night for a feed and you're not going to get as much sleep, and still getting by on 2-3 hour slots several years later.

Even if you knew before you decided to have kids that some babies wake every hour all night, you don't know how that's going to affect you until it happens, do you?

I hate that saying. Seriously, who thinks that future parents really know everything about kids before they have them?

Yep, this does my head in too.
One particular colleague fucks me right off when she moans that she was woken at 10am this morning by the neighbour cutting his grass when she had planned to stay in bed til mid day.
FUCK off, right off I say in my head as I smile sweetly.

Also, that advert with Lenny Henry in the hotel bed gives me the rage. I could cheerfully punch him in his smug face for that advert.

Yes, I am jealous of people with the luxury of sleep, and I am too tired to care if anyone thinks I am harsh.

I do try not to moan about tiredness to a colleague with the Amazing Never Sleeping Baby, or about a sore leg to an amputee, but for those saying "I never say anything", how would I know? (Okay, I did notice the missing leg of my own accord, but for other things, if it's a chronic state, I won't know unless told).

Mostly it's just passing the time of day, sharing something a little more personal than "I'm fine" without oversharing, allowing your colleagues (if they feel like it) to chime in with their tales.

Yawning isn't voluntary
Hmm, there's degrees of yawning though aren't there?
IME the loudest yawners drama queens are the ones who've had the most sleep but just like to pretend they're tired for effect.
Non sleepers like myself don't tend to make a performance out of yawning or expect lots of sympathy from the teensiest yawn

YANBU. I have a colleague who always tellls me" you have no idea how tired i am". In front of my friend who was recovering from a mastectomy and chemotherapy, with 2 small childeren. The first colleague has a live-in nanny. Pissed me right off.

But what is the POINT? Exactly what is there to gain from using energy to complain you are tired?

Last week I went a day, night, day, night and a third day without sleeping, I could barely form a sentence, and was far too tired to complain about it!
I complained to the gp, but that was to ask for sleeping tablets.

It's a habit I think, i used to do it a lot, at least half of what came out my mouth was negative or whining.

I am honestly happier when I choose not to, and I'm sure people around me are too. Now I feel uncomfortable listening to others complain, I can almost feel the vibes coming off a chronic whinger, and I scoot!

TBH, I've never thought about it (and Yes, I had a Baby That Never Slept with DS)

I now, thanks to my bladder wake 2-3 times a night (I drink loads of water, hot flushes)

The ones that really yank my chain and get on my last fecking nerve are the "Oh I'm sooo tired, I had such a hangover" ones.
Well BooHoo.
Build a Bridge and Get Over It

playnicely I generally ask my colleagues how they are in the morning. If they are a bit knackered, should they lie and say 'I am super duper, thanks', so as not to ruin my day? Or is it in fact perfectly acceptable for them to say 'I'm a bit knackered, actually'?