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Bbc headline Princess Kate passes PADI In Mustique is not news

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elizadolittlechoc · 02/08/2015 17:24

Or is it that I am so proud of my own daughter for working lots of shifts in student bars whilst studying for end of year exams, to pay for her PADI in UK waters, as well as passing the theory, supporting small Britsh businesses, seems slightly worthier? There is bigger news in the world this weekend.

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Egosumquisum · 03/08/2015 20:53

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rabbitstew · 03/08/2015 20:54

So now you think the French system works well? And sorry, but it had to come with the guillotine or a gunshot, really. The English got their monarchy back when they didn't get rid of them effectively the first time.

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StitchingMoss · 03/08/2015 20:57

Couldn't give a stuff what they do about the buildings rabbit, of course. Have already said my preference would be for the Irish system.

And what bloody nonsense comparing the UK to Zimbabwe! What ludicrous scaremongering. This country wouldn't miss the royals at all - except a few of those shitty celebrity mags might close cos they'd have nothing to fill their columns with.

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StitchingMoss · 03/08/2015 20:59

republic.org.uk/what-we-want/new-head-state

rabbitstew · 03/08/2015 20:59

I think most systems have their positives and negatives. Sometimes things that shouldn't, technically, work, seem to do OK.

Egosumquisum · 03/08/2015 21:00

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BoffinMum · 03/08/2015 21:04

Yanbu
And I used to be a celebrity news journalist.
The stone needs lifting on Clarence House's PR operation. They are manipulating so much and so many people. Yet they are allowed to hush up loads and nobody does anything for fear of Diana Mark 2.

StitchingMoss · 03/08/2015 21:04

"work", in what way? How does it work? Keeps people in their places? Keeps our class system? Makes sure we don't question too closely what those with power and privilege get up to cos "cor, doesn't she have a lovely smile, and look at that pretty dress, and she's 'ad two babies doncha know?"

Is that working? Cos it's not working for me.

rabbitstew · 03/08/2015 21:05

Thanks for the link, StitchingMoss.

StitchingMoss · 03/08/2015 21:06

It's a brilliant website rabbit, well worth reading. Very informative and busts a lot of myths.

StitchingMoss · 03/08/2015 21:07

Hear hear Boffin!

rabbitstew · 03/08/2015 21:11

It's not working particularly for me, but I'd be deeply suspicious of any changes that would be proposed by the current government!!!!

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rabbitstew · 03/08/2015 21:15

Monarchy or no monarchy, people in positions of wealth and power have always committed misdemeanours and always tried to cover them up. This does not stop in democracies and monarchy or no monarchy, the media sycophantically follow the wealth and power.

StitchingMoss · 03/08/2015 21:16

Absolutely no chance that the current government will do anything but tinker at the edges and make a pretence of change - turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

StitchingMoss · 03/08/2015 21:17

I return to my previous point that this doesn't mean we shouldn't want and demand change.

keepitsimple0 · 03/08/2015 22:06

And I did explain that I was not doing that. Just pointing out that your opinion may sound good to you when applied to royalty, but is not so nice when applied to people at the other end of the financial spectrum.

you are saying you are not doing it (conflating to completely different ideas), but you are doing it again right there. Why connect the two? My opinion on the monarchy has no bearing on welfare spending. You are the only one connecting the two. you think my position is inconsistent because I happily support welfare (which in fact I don't. I have been jumped on many times here for it), but don't support it for the RF. they are not at all connected.

Some people on here would clearly like to get rid of the monarchy, and I can see why they might want to do that, but why get rid of something that isn't corrupt when you haven't got a plan in place for a sensible alternative?

Just because something lacks corruption (and I didn't say it wasn't corrupt, just relatively not corrupt), isn't a reason to support it. One reason to stop supporting is the cost, but another is the principle that we have one group in this country that has special rights that no one else enjoys. that's just not something that should be supported. So, the cost and immoral principles of the monarchy are two reasons it should go.

As for what to do with buildings and palaces, most are not in fact the personal property of the monarch (that is, Queen Elizabeth does not own Buckingham Palace the way I own my house). They are the property of the crown, which is different. And they are already maintained and supported mainly by the tax payer.

What would likely happen is what happens all over the world: these properties would become national historical buildings and function pretty much the way they function now. everywhere historic buildings are protected - in secular france, many churches are buildings of national importance.

As for alternatives, there are many out there. Canada has a slightly better alternative (cheaper and not based on birthright) but functions essentially the same as ours. But there are better systems out there (I prefer the republican ones). Someone said why would we vote for someone who just opens parliament and gives a few speeches. Well, if that's all our head of state does, let's by all means just get rid of that position. If it's "just a figurehead", just dump it. we don't need it.

If, however, the head of state is a position of importance and power, then shouldn't we choose the best person for the job?

BertrandRussell · 03/08/2015 22:46

Please can somebody explain to me why we need a Head of State at all. What's wrong with just having a Prime Minister?

Egosumquisum · 03/08/2015 22:52

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rabbitstew · 03/08/2015 23:10

They aren't actually the only group with special rights. The most important members of the Church of England also do. Obviously, getting rid of the monarchy would have to go hand in hand with getting rid of the House of Lords. A massive revamp would be required. And in all honesty, I don't think getting rid of the monarchy would result in everyone being treated the same. There would still be people with official or unofficial special rights, exemptions and duties and the overwhelming majority of people would never stand a cat's chance in hell of obtaining one of those positions, so the majority are unlikely to perceive the potential benefits of widening the microscopic pool to a microscopically larger group of very similar people. A massive upheaval, period of instability and change of mentality would be required for meaningful change and then the results would be unpredictable.

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rabbitstew · 03/08/2015 23:16

I'd be interested to learn more about how Ireland's elected Head of State works, though. I'm not convinced one person, even if elected, could successfully stand up against a bullying government wanting a war, though.