Withdrawing the £36 a week from families with children, whose asylum applications have been rejected is a challenge to our humanity

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We should feel ashamed.

it's the first SAFE country -

which means you may be sent back to another EU country - this is different from 'the first country'

passing through a country doesn't mean you are able to claim asylum

Personally I don't feel shame - it wasn't me who decided on this.

Outrage maybe.

There are about 1.2bn people in Africa and probably a good few of those could meet criteria under English law to claim asylum and sadly we cannot take them all. it is a difficult issue. The bigger issue of the over stayers on visas is being tackled through a clamp down on bogus colleges which were scams where no one ever turns up but it has had a negative impact on genuine bright foreign students wanting to study here and we have stopped some necessary important business people from coming in and lecturers. You just feel like we need more intelligent people rather than jobsworth types making considered decisions on a really speedy basis.

I'm not 'simply' saying that though - it was an answer to one point - immigration or not we still need more of everything since our population is growing - In my area schools are fit to bursting but we have a very low immigrant population

Immigrants make up 11% of the population - they can't be to blame for everything!

I admit I'm a bit baffled as to why we've been supporting FAILED asylum seekers anyway, as surely they should be leaving the country, not staying on and claiming benefits?

well it's not - it's all AS

but we do support people while they appeal as is their legal right

scroll down here - there is a good table of who is entitled to what at the bottom

wandsworthchildcare.proceduresonline.com/chapters/p_fam_no_rec.html

I don't feel anything even remotely close to shame.

They, nor any of their family have paid into the system, why should we be giving them anything?

Their claim has failed, they are clearly not really asylum seekers, just economic migrants. We can't, and shouldn't support half the world and detriment to the people who are already here, contributing to society.

It's time to close our borders we have to start putting our own citizens first

I know Tiggy but it's not that simple - being a bigger country doesn't automatically equate with having the infrastructure to support more

unpopulated places aren't always populatable (I made that word up!)

a country could be massive but 90% desert ...

People being twitchy should maybe look at why things are at breaking point more closely - it's more to do with cuts and less to do with bleedin forriners

Boop it's not people who's claim has failed :)

Yes, loads of Northumberland and Scotland are very sparesely populated with no jobs and low incomes (and some of the most wonderful countryside and beaches but keep that quiet so tourists keep away and it stays empty and unspoilt)

If their asylum application has been rejected then they have no basis to be present in the country yet alone in receipt of public funds so what is the issue? Economic migrants (who have been granted through the Points Based System) from outside the EU have no recourse to public funds even if granted so its unsurprising that someone who has been refused asylum doesn't get them either.

These new rules will only apply to FAILED asylum seekers with DC, not those whose cases are being heard. (Those without DC are already apparently ineligible for continuing support once their claim has been refused).

From The Telegraph:

"Failed asylum seekers with children will be stripped of benefits in order to send a message to migrants in Calais that Britain is not “a land of milk and honey,” a Home Office Minister has said.

James Brokenshire announced that the Government would withdraw the automatic entitlement to payments of £36.95 a week for immigrants with children, amid growing concern that migrants are risking their lives to reach the United Kingdom because they believe the will enjoy a better lifestyle in this country.

The move is part of a concerted government bid to resolve the crisis, which has led to chaos in parts of Kent as motorway traffic to France ground to a standstill at the weekend following repeated attempts by immigrants to storm the Channel Tunnel in Calais, leading to the closure of the service.

Mr Brokenshire told the BBC’s World This Weekend that failed asylum seekers who do not have children were already unable to claim benefits."

Genuine asylum seekers will continue to get support, as they absolutely should.

Failed ones, who are (unless some miscarriage of justice) trying to lie and beat the system, shouldn't get help on that basis.

YABU

The UK tax payer cannot support for everyone in the world. Failed asylum seekers should be sent back. End of.

Th Calais migrants who are causing a nuisance should be sent back whatever their sob story is. They do not deserve to be in Europe. Real asylum seekers could register a claim in France and then each EU country could take a certain proportion depending on the availability of housing and land. A real ayslum seeker would not be fussy which EU country they ended up in.

RealltTired, why don't they deserve to be in Europe?

ReallyTired, typing error.

ReallyTired that's woefully lacking in either empathy or common sense. How many 'Real asylum seekers' do you know to make sweeping statements about what they would want or need? How much do you know about the French system and what would happen to them? How do you propose to send them back? How exactly are you going to send them back to Somalia, Syria, Afghanistan? Give them a ticket to somewhere outside the EU and hope they're accepted there?

interestingly only Portugal gives AS less money to live on than us

The Guardian article above seems to be saying the cuts are to ALL AS failed (and appealing) or otherwise

If somebody has exhausted all avenues of appeal they get minimum support if any (for example it's illegal for me to even offer advice) and are expected to return home

Giddy:
We'll send them round your house. I don't them in mine.

I doubt very much they'd want to be in yours Red don't worry