Withdrawing the £36 a week from families with children, whose asylum applications have been rejected is a challenge to our humanity

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We should feel ashamed.

Immigrants will be paying council tax?
I think in many cases they won't. How will they find a job if they have no official papers and can't speak much English?

ghosty I would suggest that we provide them with a room in a dorm type facility, 3 cooked meals a day, basic clothing and toiletries. I don't see that they should be better off financially than British citizens who may have worked and paid taxes and are now unable to work for whatever reason for a period of time.

What happens if a million families get to the UK and claim asylum. Should we just give them all money and lodgings because they have got children? Where does it end? There has to be some common sense. Yes it is sad but giving them money and lodgings is just a sticking plaster. Much better to deal with the reasons why they are leaving their countries and coming to Eldorado. But as I have said, most of them are not genuine asylum seekers but economic migrants, otherwise they would have claimed asylum in the first safe country they arrived in. Last time I looked, these people would have to travel through several safe countries before getting to the UK. The problem is the UK is now known (thanks Blair!) for being very generous with it's taxpayers money and this encourages people to come. The UK needs to send out the message that this is no longer the case, and if you come you will not get lodgings or money just because you have children.

you sort of lumping 'Immigrants' together there

there are immigrants - people from EU countries who stay and work with no restriction and pay tax and council tax etc.

Asylum seekers who can;t work but if granted asylum can

Illegal immigrants - who go underground and therefore no pay council tax
but also don;t get public funds

erm that's what they get now super

I doubt very much a million families will come here why would they when Germany and Sweden are so much more welcoming!

oh and the first country 'rule' is a myth btw!

cabbage people were saying that the UK was a benefits destination long before Blair. And illegal immigrants don't get benefits anyway.

Sorry - I we thinking of the migrants coming from calais. Not all migrants.

erm that's what they get now super

Erm no, they also get £35 per week in cash and a room in a hotel (which has paying guests too because it is a place where people are prepared to pay for a bed) is not the same as a bed in a dorm room which is shared by others in the same situation.

yes because a hotel is all that's available ...unless we build camps or take over pontins!

£35 a week for clothes or tampons or fags - an unemployed adult get's double that and most of their housing costs met - so they aren't getting more

I don't get why they have to live in tents in France and yet when they come here they are put up in hotels and given £35 spends. No wonder they all want to come here. Who wouldn't. There should be one policy throughout Europe. They should be treated the same in every country. Otherwise they will not stop coming to the country who gives them the most.

Oh fgs Vivienne. If they get in illegally they won't get anything here either. If they had entered France legally they wouldn't be in tents.

yes ghostys yes. you are right.

they are put up in hotels because that is all that is available - in other places it's B+B's or hostels

the alternative might be council houses - can you imagine the outrage!!

and I'd like to see your evidence for us giving them the most!

ghosty, £35 per week plus lodgings, not bad considering they have never paid any taxes and are most likely economic migrants. A room in a hotel is not cheap. Just say £35 per night for a very basic room. That is over £200 per week for someone who is not entitled to be here. Why should they get anything if they are not genuine asylum seekers?

Do people who have contributed nothing to the system think they are somehow more worthy of assistance than immigrants who have so far contributed nothing to the system just because they were lucky enough to be born in the UK? Because I don't think that's fair.

People are people, and nobody deserves to be left to beg on the streets with nothing. At least people born in this country have had some opportunity, even if very little. Many of these people had nothing in the countries they were born into, literally nothing. They dream of having the opportunity that every single British born adult has. They don't want to come here just to scrounge, they want to come here for opportunity.

The hotel near me that they are putting them up in starts at £50 per room per night. Most of these migrants are housed in a single room in the hotel. A bed in a hostel would be much cheaper (probably £15 per night) or we could invest in making some basic dorm accomodation. It wouldn't cost that much for a pre fab dorm or to take over an unused sports hall and fill it with bunk beds (yes we do have unused buildings). 30 migrants in my local hotel at £50 per person per night is poor use of public funds.
And no, people on the dole don't have most of their housing costs met- they have to pay for gas, electric, water sometimes a contribution towards rent and council tax and if they have a mortgage they have to pay most or all of it themselves from their dole money and they have to buy food. They don't have £35 per week left over.

And many of our own citizens who don't have children and are homeless get zero help with accomodation.

Many of these people had nothing in the countries they were born into, literally nothing.

Many of them have paid significant sums of money to traffickers to help them in their journey to the UK. They clearly had something if they could pay money to a trafficker. I have no doubt that many of them are desperate but let's not pretend that somebody who can find the equivalent of £1000 to pay a trafficker had nothing in their home country.

Ptolemy, the difference is that we have a housing crisis and the last thing we need is more people to house. People born in this country are not adding to the housing crisis. You are welcome to put up all these people in your house but I don't think the solution is letting more and more people in because you feel sorry for them. Where does it stop? How many people claiming to be asylum seekers should we let in on spurious grounds? 50,000, 500,000, 5,000,000? Where does the money come to pay for their accommodation and £35 per week - other taxpayers who themselves are having to cutback on things and many of whom are struggling to pay for accommodation from their after tax income!

"They dream of having the opportunity that every single British born adult has. "

yes thats what a lot of british disabled people want, but they can't have those opportunities due to the cuts,

Cabbage what is your solution then? Since the people getting house are asylum seekers - and have been assessed as having a claim for asylum - otherwise they would not be housed - true that claim hasn't been investigated yet as that takes time but they are AS

so you would do what them

(and lets not talk about mythical dorm that don't, as yet, exist)

it's all well and good moaning about a housing crisis (caused by people buying council houses, rocketing private rents and a total lack of investment in public housing recently) and such but these people aren't going to go away - and many of them may be genuinely in need of asylum

and yes they sell everything - to pay the smuggler - EVERYTHING!

I do see what you're saying cabbage, and I don't pretend to have all the answers, but we can't just abandon people.

You say that people here don't contribute to the housing crisis, but they often don't help it either. Families separate meaning they are spread across two homes rather than one, people have more children than enough to just replace themselves, we have completely moved away from multi generational living just because we choose to and therefore think we are entitled to. I'm the same, I couldn't bear to live with my mum and I don't live with the man I created children with, but then I'm not saying I deserve better than other people just because I was fortunate enough to be born in the UK instead of Syria.

Yes, people might be able to find the money to pay a trafficker, that doesn't mean they can continue to live in the place they once called home or that they have the opportunity to earn more money while living in a disease ridden refugee camp.

No tiggy they aren't granted asylum because they're in danger at home because of war etc. Political Asylum isn't about just being in danger. It's about persecution by a state.
You might get ELTR after a failed asylum claim but that isn't asylum.