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to think that the Calais migrants are economic migrants and should not be given asylum?

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cabbagesouppirate · 30/07/2015 08:57

All of the Calais migrants are young men. If they were true asylum seekers seeking safety from persecution they could have claimed asylum in a number of safe countries Western countries already, including France which is hardly a dangerous place. Instead they camp out in Calais, causing a nuisance, a mess, costing the UK and France a lot of money, making the lives of lorry drivers and tourists hell and the situation is becoming increasingly dangerous. I sincerely hope these people are not given asylum in the UK and any that have managed to reach the UK should be fast tracked out of the country and given economic assistance whilst they are here.

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Hannahouse · 01/08/2015 17:51

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ginghamcricketbox · 01/08/2015 18:04

So Cameron should resign because the French won't deport the illegal migrants.

blowinahoolie · 01/08/2015 21:19

"Can't understand why Cameron hasn't resigned over this."

He should have resigned ages ago, nothing to do with the migrant crisis...

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IsItMeOrIsItHotInHere · 01/08/2015 22:39

Hannah on what grounds do you think DC should have resigned over this?

Chipstick10 · 01/08/2015 23:07

Why are all these immigrants hiding their faces with scarfs and hoods ?

Chipstick10 · 01/08/2015 23:09

Cameron and the entire government have been useless in this crisis.

WetAugust · 01/08/2015 23:26

Cameron won't need to resign. He's said he is still going on holiday despite this crisis.

Just wait for the first photo of the Camerons swanning around in a sunny resort juxtaposed with queues of lorries at home and his own party will oust him

He's already said he plans to step down at some point. The Tories will ensure he goes sooner rather than later.

He is spectacularly out of touch -- in a Jim Callaghan league of "Crisis, what crisis?"

JassyRadlett · 02/08/2015 09:27

I know it's off topic, but there's rarely a wrong time to point out that Callaghan never said that.

The80sweregreat · 02/08/2015 09:33

Why would DC resign? If anything the Tories are well known for being totally ruthless to their leaders in the past, if they think he has really messed up then they will get rid. I cant see that happening, not a few months after he won them the election when everyone said they wouldn't too. ( not a Tory by the way, just saying whats happened in the past)
Personally, I think he didn't really want to be in control of a majority anyway, easier last time to let the Lib dems take all the flak for the bad stuff! but that's just my opinion.. and off topic.

blowinahoolie · 02/08/2015 10:48

"Why are all these immigrants hiding their faces with scarfs and hoods ?"

If you were ripping down fencing and acting in a criminal manner would you want your mugshot on national TV?

SlaggyIsland · 02/08/2015 10:56

I think some posters do seriously need to educate themselves on colonialism and it's long term impacts in Africa and the Middle East.
And the Daily Mail coverage has been vile. Disingenuous, dishonest and shit stirring. But then, their form for that goes back quite a long way. It's all quite similar to their coverage of Jewish refugees in the 30s.

woodhill · 02/08/2015 17:45

I know about the colonialism but it wasn't only the British plus as far as I am concerned we have allowed people to come here from the former colonies. it wasn't in my life time and my ancestors were not very well off and were exploited too. it just won't wash anymore.

PastaPot · 02/08/2015 17:53

Haven't read the whole thread but the OP is wrong.

While a majority of those in Calais are economic migrants, you cannot say whether they are genuine asylum seekers until they claim asylum and their claims are considered. Some of those currently in Calais are genuine and will be granted asylum in the UK if they are found to fear persecution for asylum Covention reason.

Being in Calais does not make them not genuine. Some of them are not even told where they are going. They are at the mercy of the people smugglers who persuade them that England is the best/only option so they can get the most money out of them.

PastaPot · 02/08/2015 17:56

*for a convention reason.

Poxy phone.

sashh · 03/08/2015 06:25

There are also many safe countries in Africa and indeed to the east and west as well as north of Africa so why the UK?

What is safe for one person may not be safe for another.

South Africa is a fairly safe place, lots of tourism from Europe etc. But it's not so safe if you are a migrant worker from Zimbabwe.

BMW6 · 03/08/2015 08:15

Can't understand why Cameron hasn't resigned over this.

Really??? What do YOU think he should have done to solve this then? Shoot them? Let them all in? Give orders to the French Government?(that would go down well wouldn't it)

FFS.

Mumbehavingbadly · 03/08/2015 08:29

'Economic migrants', 'asylum seekers' - whatever! This a global mess that is the legacy of generations of human exploitation, economic greed and political short termism.

We've got to shift the conversation from ' send 'em back', 'man the barricades', 'send them food parcels'. It won't go away if even if start machine gunning the people trying to make their way here from Calais.

This is probably the defining moment of our age. Europe and the rest of the 'over' developed nations, including the British government (and people) are going to have to make a massive psychological shift in terms of our 'entitlement' to the world's resources. We have been the main instigators of global plundering and the beneficiaries of artificial prosperity along with the stability/relatively comfortable lives that this brings, for generations.

Let's be consistent - we are going through national austerity because it would be immoral to leave our grandchildren with a national debt/the deficit we have run up over previous generations. And so too with the situation at Calais and elsewhere across Europe/globe.

Calais today is payback time for generations of plundering Africa (in the main) - for our over reliance on oil (resulting in our 'do anything to get it' philosophy to global affairs) and its effects on the planet leading to scarce resources such as water and fertile land.

Even the most simple mind must be able to reason that for every aspect of the lifestyles we enjoy - warm homes, cheap food, cars, cheap clothes etc we are running up a global deficit. But its not just cash we owe - it's stability, safety, land, resources, clean water - the necessity for human life.

Don't think charitable giving - think debt repayment and let's start deep austerity now to pay for it.

Think of the people in Calais who are trying to get to the UK in the back of lorries as the Bailiffs. We're not paying our debts built up over generations and they are breaking down the door to get goods to equivalent value.

This is just like the day you get the court order telling you the mortgage company are coming to reposess the house - you either stay in denial, grab a shotgun and stand on your drive shouting 'keep 'em out' and wait for violent forced eviction or you start working to repay the debt, selling off everything but the clothes on your back and praying they accept your repayment plan.

Radical solutions- mass evacuations of the innocent people in war torn/ famine struck nations and resettlement in Europe, Americas, Australasia. The renationalisation of natural resources (diamonds, oil, agriculture) and dismantling of global multi nationals that make billionaires by enslaving the indiginous people.

Continuing and increasing global inequity will lead to more political extremisims (IS for example is not religious - its a political & econmically driven movement ), more conflict and wars.

It's delusional to think we can carry on as we have been doing. Sweeping history under the carpet and pretending the legacies are none of our business. And it is immoral for us to shirk our responsibility now and leave this mess for our children and grandchildren to live with.

Every single one of us is going to have make great sacrifices. More crowded towns and homes, less food, less travel, less leisure - because if we don't sooner or later (and probably very much sooner than we would care to imagine) we're all going to end up with nothing. It's one world and as the politicians like to say 'we're all in it together'.

FriendofBill · 03/08/2015 08:45

Well said mum.
I agree with you 100%

woodhill · 03/08/2015 09:29

totally disagree. Let's turn our own country into a third world one eventually. What about the USA they have benefited greatly from Africa but they have a huge ocean.

woodhill · 03/08/2015 09:32

also why can't the wealthy leaders in the African continent pay what they owe to their own people. Are they going to be held to account?

I still think we would have been ok as a nation even if we hadn't gone into Africa. TBH I wish our ancestors hadn't bothered

woodhill · 03/08/2015 09:34

Haven't Saudi Arabia exploited Africa etc. Are they going to lose their wealth. Why is it only Europe who are the bad guys?

Mumbehavingbadly · 03/08/2015 19:33

Think all 'exploiters' are going to have to readjust whatever nationality. Its a lobal problem but its Europe and America etc that will have to change thinking.

Despots will be handled by their own people - eventually - no matter how powerful they and we think they are today.

We though need to start making amends to spare future generations.

BeckerLleytonnever · 08/08/2015 17:18

If they are seeing more and more fences go up all around isnt that telling them to their faces theyre not wanted in the UK? that they should go somewhere else?

Does the UK really want criminals-people who are vandalising property, the fences, lorries, people who are destroying goods and peoples livelihoods, who'll turn to crime to get what they want?

Theyre threatening people with violence now, all the time playing the ''ive got kids'' card.

If theyre so strong and aggresive (then saying theyre hungry and have no food)why didint they use that strength to fight for their own country?

and as for the immigrants going to other european places what are the other countries doing? keeping them or stopping them?

And why are they always covering their faces in front of the tv cameras? Obviously something to hide.

MrsUltracrepidarian · 08/08/2015 17:45

Does the UK really want criminals-people who are vandalising property, the fences, lorries, people who are destroying goods and peoples livelihoods, who'll turn to crime to get what they want?

No.