About the Lion

[mmollytoots]

Ok so people are going on about the lion. And as terrible as it is.

HOW MANY OF YOU EAT MEAT.

seriously contradiction or what.

From the point of view of the animal, it doesn't make any difference whether it was killed for meat or for sport. It's just as dead either way.

I have never eaten Lion AFAIK.

Ive seen OP's name around (posting other idiotic shite) so not sure its a troll. Possibly worse... She actually thinks this way!

One of those things are not like the other

Let's look at the evidence shall we. A lion is not considered a product farmed for mass meat consumption. A chicken is. A cow is. A lamb is. A turkey is. A giraffe isn't. A lion isn't. A hippo isn't. A rhino isn't.

Hope that cleared it up for you.

Oh and I think hoardes of people would be furious if some knobhead went into a private field, shot a cow and let it wander about for a couple of days in agony before shooting it and cutting it's head off.

To play devil's advocate; given that humans can survive on a vegetarian diet, why do most people choose to eat meat? For the pleasure of it?

I don't eat lion

Hackmum, makes a huge difference whether an animal or human is instantly killed, or suffers incredibly first. Death is a horrible fact of life, but better to die quickly, than spending the last few hours in such pain, not understanding why, and probably finding death a relief.

From the point of view of the animal, it doesn't make any difference whether it was killed for meat or for sport. It's just as dead either way.

It does when it dies immediately as opposed to dragging its dying body around for 40 hours in agony.

Fwiw I don't agree with anglers either - even catching a fish, unhooking it and throwing it back to (hopefully) survive seems unnecessarily cruel.

hackmum that's a silly thing to say. Whilst death is the end product of being killed, how you die is pretty important. We are meant to kill ethically in this country. So non halal meat is stunned and then killed to minimise distress. Hunting a lion down using weapons and letting it die slowly and painfully Is unethical and cruel.

If I had a choice of being starved to death slowly or letting Dignitas put a drug cocktail together for me, I think id be choosing the latter - though id still be dead at the end.

As it happens, I don't eat meat - but there is a world of difference between an animal being killed for it's meat, and an animal being hunted and shot for a trophy.

Especially when said animal is an endangered species, and is lured out of a sanctuary.

And then the massively cowardly hunters try to destroy his collar.

And has now ran off to hide.

I hope Mr "doh, but I thought it was legal" Palmer does get charged for it. And you know what? I hope he's suffering too, and loses his business - I don't wish ill on many people - but he's one of them.

Surly really? It's a real poster?

Oh ffs, it takes all kinds of stupid, doesn't it?

If I walked into a battery chicken farm, shot some with arrows and left them injured for almost two days, I would be prosecuted for cruelty.

on a happier note the hunter is now the hunted and in hideing ha

How is that dentist ever going to work or live again after this btw? This is a huge story in the US and people are baying for his blood.

I agree, OP.

Eating meat is killing for pleasure.

Nobody needs to eat animals.

I actually don't think the issue is as clear as 'if it's for meat it's ok'. It's not ok to kill a human because you plan to eat them - the purpose of killing isn't only what makes it ok to kill, it's also something to do with the status of the thing you are planning to kill. As a society we've taken the decision that we have the power of life and death over animals. Personally I think that's fine. I think the moral question is whether the animal suffers in the process - not why it was killed.

So yes, insofar as Cecil suffered, it was bad to kill him. But I don't see any evidence that he suffered more than the average battery farmed chicken, for example. And there are people who are happy to grab a chicken sandwich in a train station (and are therefore likely to at some point to have been complicit in a battery farmed chicken's suffering) yet who are outraged at this example of animal suffering. So I do think there's some hypocrisy there.

Personally I don't agree with the argument that a lion's suffering is worse because it's a wild beast, but that argument is logically coherent. As is the argument that hunting lions is bad not because of welfare issues but because they're endangered. But on welfare grounds I don't see a reason to single this man out.

Oh aren't you stupid

It is an interesting train of thought (op is perhaps a bit more inflammatory than I'd like)

IF big game species weren't endangered (big If, I know) how is it diff to mounting a prize trout on the wall? It feels different but
no logical distinction...?

But yeah, don't kill endangered things whatever you plan on doing with them.

I eat meat. I quite like venison. I have no problem with selective hunting of deer, because they are a population that needs management and control for its own longevity and conservation reasons. I would not shoot a stag just because it has the best head for a trophy. That's the line. Meat for food and hunting for population control is one thing. Shooting an endangered animal for fun, quite another.

whisk as far as i know, i recall advising someone on another thread to ignore molly ridiculous post. Of course its possible shes just a troll that hasnt been reported enough yet.

This has made me really uncomfortable, and I wasn't sure why, I am certainly not advocating this, nor would it be something I'd seek to do.
I have hunted and shot an animal though, not an endangered one, and I do have the photo. It was a kangaroo and we ate it.

The baying for blood, talking of killing the man, torturing him etc just doesn't sit right with me.
I think he should pay the price in law, but that's it.
If you disagree with him killing the lion (and I do), but then wish the same on him, doesn't that make you him?