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To already be fed up with teachers/eduaction workers posting about their long holiday!

815 replies

Freshlysqueezed · 17/07/2015 19:26

Facebook is swarming with people saying how much they deserve it and other people patting them on the back. It seems like the world and his wife are in education or SAHM's with 6 glorious weeks ahead of them. Apart from a one week holiday I have a juggling timetable of various childcare arrangements to run to and fro from.

OP posts:
JustinsBrother · 18/07/2015 09:51

Where exactly ARE these people who are 'constantly whining'? As I can't seem to see them on this thread. or anywhere else for that matter

AsBrightAsAJewel · 18/07/2015 09:51

"So is teaching any more stressful than other jobs? Well, despite the doubters, it seems there is evidence which suggests it is."
Quote from - news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3573075.stm

www.careerbuilder.co.uk/article/cb-198-job-search-8-high-stress-jobs-is-yours-on-this-list/

www.theguardian.com/education/2008/aug/31/teaching.teachersworkload

Happy holidays Cake Wine

Hulababy · 18/07/2015 09:57

Does no other profession ever say yippee or count down to when they are taking their holiday then?!?

Strange that as I often see 'x sleeps til holiday time' 'can't wait til x for my holiday to start' etc. and all from non teachers.

Or is it just that teaching staff are not allowed to look forward to their holiday time?

LocatingLocatingLocating · 18/07/2015 10:16

I don't want to be a teacher. I don't have the patience, and I admire those who do.

I feel for teachers because they are in the firing line. It is a very important job, and can be very emotive for parents. I do take issue with some of my DCs teachers, because I see the HUGE difference they make to my DCs lives. One of my DCs had an amazing teacher last year, one of those special make-all-the-difference teachers that you remember 20 years later. This year their teacher has been appalling. The effect on my DC has been very noticeable and we have gone backwards in terms of confidence and ability.

So yes I do moan about some teachers. And I also totally sing the praises of some teachers. If teachers need a long break in order to refresh themselves so they can better support my DC, then I'm glad they've got it.

However the constant whining (and I'm sorry but this is what I see from close friends) is really quite depressing. And I get that a lot of it is to do with pressure, targets etc but also think that there are those same pressures in many other jobs. I think partly why it's so depressing is because I think 'these whining teachers, who seem to hate their jobs, are the people I entrust my DCs to every day'. And that makes me sad, even though I realise the issues are much wider than just a whiny teacher.

CamelHump · 18/07/2015 10:18

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YeOldTrout · 18/07/2015 10:18

If it's such a doddle job then why is there a national shortage of teachers and especially HTs?

It's very scummy to stay 'friends' with a load of people on FB and then vilify them loudly elsewhere. Angry

HSMMaCM · 18/07/2015 10:24

I'm not a teacher, but have a well deserved break guys. I can't believe how much effort DD's school have put in to help the children through their GCSEs. Personally as well as academically.

CultureSucksDownWords · 18/07/2015 10:25

Locating, do all the teachers you know as close friends whine and moan about their jobs? And no one else ever whines about their job, ever? And as their close friend do you let them know how saddened and disappointed you are by their attitude, and how much this makes you worried for your child's education?

echt · 18/07/2015 10:26

YY to Trout. Very hypocritical to post on here while staying friends on FB.

FlatWhiteToGo · 18/07/2015 10:27

Pipbin - I think it's exactly the same for doctors, nurses and lawyers. People think that they could do those jobs. Everyone has an opinion on all jobs because they've experienced it ("I went to school" or "I've been to the doctor") or they've seen it on some crap American TV show and think it's gospel. It's frustrating for everyone.

Philoslothy - many, many jobs regularly require you to do just that. The majority of doctors, nurses, lawyers, bankers, accountants and many 'non-professional' vocations (eg catering, hospitality etc) will require people to work in excess of 12 hours on a regular basis. Many of my friends are doctors in hospitals and they will have on-calls on top of their 7:30-5:30 shifts. These on-calls will require them to be in the hospital working for the entirety of 24 hours, or 48 hours over the weekends. Sometimes in those periods they will get no sleep and no time for food and drink! It's madness.

Culture - I'm not, no! Ha ha. I imagine our perception about those jobs isn't accurate too! I'm a lawyer [runs and hides in fear]. There are so many misconceptions about my job, I could write an essay! People dont have a good word to say about us and people rarely say thank you; all we get is criticism. We feel the same as teachers in that we're disillusioned and at breaking point. We're also made to do more and more for less. Even then our efforts are criticised or things are misinterpreted. Like many lawyers, I do a lot of pro bono which I love! When we recently challenged the proposal that we should do more, on the basis that we are not trained and qualified in the areas where people need help and those people would receive shoddy legal representation (eg a banking or property lawyer advising on immigration, family or criminal law where the outcome genuinely affects people's lives!), we were accused of being "lazy" and "refusing to work for free despite the huge salaries" (outside the massive corporate London firms, legal salaries are usually far below what the general public think they are, but that's irrelevant).

Back on the working hard thing, in my job things are quiet over July and August I can get to work at 9 and leave by 6. For the rest of the year, my normal working week is approx 8am - 9pm in the office, hopefully get home then log on for an hour or so in the evening. Most weekends I'll have a few hours of work at the weekend. When things are busy (when we have big projects/deals) I will be working 8am - 2am including the weekends for months at a time. Everyone in my team works those sorts of hours and clients will have no problem calling you at 7pm on a Friday and telling you to cancel all plans over the weekend (weddings, holidays or just drinks with friends). You have no say in this and will quickly be shown the door if you try to put up a fight! While I have had a massive rant here, I wouldn't dream of saying all this in RL or posting it on Facebook because I can always leave. The one time, years ago, when I put up a status saying I was frazzled then commented something about having worked over 100 hours that week and counting, I got attacked by 4 of my teacher friends saying "you don't know stress until you've worked as a teacher". That week alone one of them had had a status along the lines of "can't believe it's 6pm and I'm still at school" and they had all put up status after status about taking the kids to baby ballet, going to see the latest film, going out for drinks etc. It really grated (for clarity: not their happiness or free time, although I was obviously very jealous, but the fact they had to belittle what I was going through and compete).

I am going to sign off soon as it's a sunny day and I want to make the most of it, but FWIW, I honestly do not think that teachers have an easy life or doubt they work the hours they say they do. As I said in my first post, a good teacher is worth their weight in gold. Please don't think for a minute that the general public think what you do is easy or that they could do it too. There are many things about teaching that appeal to me, but I ruled it out because my skills are more suited to something else! I had thought I wouldn't be very good with lots screaming children, but having spent many years with CEOs and knob heads people in business screaming 24/7 perhaps I would have been fine!!! Honestly, enjoy your time off and recharge your batteries...but spare a thought for the struggling lawyer in the office at 2am dreaming of being allowed out of the office that week Grin Grin Grin

rollonthesummer · 18/07/2015 10:31

In my experience, it often goes something like this...
Teacher: yay, it's the holidays!
Other person: why do you need a holiday-it's not like you work hard?! You're only there 9-3 and just play with sand! Plus you get 490 weeks holiday a year and are always off striking!
Teacher: we do actually work quite hard, you know!
Other person: well, you don't work as hard as people in the real world, do you?!
Teacher: I think we do, yes!

...cue comments like-'teachers are such whingers and bloody think they work harder than everyone else!!'

echt · 18/07/2015 10:34

Yep, that's about it, roll.

Can we get MNHQ to put it as a sticky on any thread that is teacher-related?

rollonthesummer · 18/07/2015 10:35

Flat white to go-I actually think your teacher friends were very rude to say that!! Enjoy the sunshine xx

Theendisnotinsight · 18/07/2015 10:35

Just going to add my ten cents or whatever it is worth in. I worked in the 'real world' for five years before training to be a teacher. I have now been doing it for 8 years, and although I absolutely bloody love my job (most of the time), it really is the hardest thing I have ever done. I have friends in the 'real world' who spend weeks preparing for a twenty min presentation for their peers, and struggle. Imagine doing five different presentations a day, for an audience that mostly are only there because they have to be, and having to mark thirteen sets of books, fill in data, do reports, jump through hoops constantly, attend weekly meetings, twilights etc. Yes I leave work at around 5, but I get in at 7, dont take a lunch break, barely even get time for a wee, and I work when I get home. Something I never had to worry about when in my other job. Not saying it's the hardest job in the world, but it's definitely up there. And as has been said before, technically we are paid for the year, so holidays are not just a great big jolly. Plus we then have to pay hugely overinflated prices if we wish to go abroad. Need to go to the doctor? Have to book time off, you can't just decide to take a day off. And if you do, you have to set very precise cover work and are consumed with guilt about your classes, and what is happening when you aren't there (worth it of course, when the kids ask where you were and tell you they missed you Grin ). I am setting up a new course for September, so I am going to spend at least two weeks of my 'holiday' in school. So we do deserve it, we are trying to keep the future generation on the straight and narrow, and trying to promote the values of a good education (often against hostility and opposition) so that our students go out into the world equipped with the skills and knowledge so that they can become doctors, vets, lawyers, etc. Ok. Rant over. Phew that was long. I feel better now. And I've still got a week to go!

tilliebob · 18/07/2015 10:50

Excellent summing up there roll. I should just hide threads about teachers, as I tell myself not to bite and inevitably do. Nice to read what some parents really think of you knocking your pan out, isn't it and all the frustrated wannabe teachers do my head in

Lurkedforever1 · 18/07/2015 11:19

Ffs, even if teachers all got 100k to sit on their arses making a few ticks twice a day and playing candy crush till the bell goes, then if it grates on you that much then qualify and do the same.
(Not saying that's what I think teachers do btw just making a point). I have met the odd teacher who think its the only demanding job in the world and nobody but teachers deserve recognition, but then again I've met people who are knobs in almost every career who believe they have it harder than everyone else.

larant · 18/07/2015 12:00

I have as a youth worker worked with classes of children teaching them, for less pay and money than teachers. I have also worked on projects working with children that are excluded from school because their behaviour is so bad.
There are jobs that are harder than teachers do for less money and less holidays.
As a friend who is a teacher and works in a very disadvantaged London school says, my mother had it much worse. She was working long hours cleaning and doing care work for very little money.
I totally understand anyone saying how much they are looking forward to or enjoying their holiday though.
Incidentally lots of people in the public sector work very long hours without any perks and lower pay than teachers. My DP wors in the public sector and used to do 9-5. Now DP brings home lots of additional paperwork that they have to do for evaluation and monitoring, and works evenings and weekends. Lots of jobs in the public sector now have the expectation that you work at home, without any of the perks some get in the private sector.

Anniesaunt · 18/07/2015 12:30

I think there are two different issues here.

There's are some people objecting to hard working teachers looking forward to their holiday which is very unreasonable IMO.

Then their are some teachers trying to claim that they are the only people who work hard, which is IMO equally unreasonable.

The 2 groups have 2 things in common. The refusal to consider things from another person's perspective and they do a complete disservice to all the good and reasonable teachers and non-teachers out there.

RufusTheReindeer · 18/07/2015 13:06

annie I agree with you

I've no problem with the school holidays bit. I work part time in a school and the teachers works very hard, much longer that 9 til 3 and I know they are in on inset days and for a least a few days each holiday

You teachers and TAs crack on and enjoy your hols.

LadyJuliaFlyte · 18/07/2015 13:14

Teaching is a brilliant job. I encourage all those who are cross about having fewer holidays than teachers to retrain. You will find it rewarding and life-affirming.

Unless you're in a shit school and OFSTED is breathing down your neck. Then your life will be fairly miserable.

Could go either way though, take a chance?

FuzzyWizard · 18/07/2015 13:14

Flat- your friends are arseholes! Seriously, why spend time with people who are so obviously shits. We have arseholes in teaching just like any other profession, most other teachers avoid them in the staffroom-they have their own special corner in most staffrooms where they sit and whinge and gossip. The more persistent the whinging usually the less hardworking and committed they usually are. I'm a teacher and I wouldn't spend my free time with them. Don't know why I'm meant to be tarred with the same brush because you choose to spend your time with dickheads.

FuzzyWizard · 18/07/2015 13:18

Too many usuallys!

LadyJuliaFlyte · 18/07/2015 13:36

What Fuzzy said.

beatricequimby · 18/07/2015 13:46

OP I am a teacher and my holiday has already started. I am in hospital. Fun ambulance trip on Thursday, operation yesterday, am compos mentis today so have texted my to bring in school work for me when he visits. Otherwise I am worried I won't get it done before school starts. Make you feel better?

Philoslothy · 18/07/2015 13:58

Then their are some teachers trying to claim that they are the only people who work hard, which is IMO equally unreasonable.*

Has anybody said that on this thread or in fact ever?

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