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Washing hands after nappy change - MIL thread, sorry

528 replies

StarlingMurmuration · 15/07/2015 17:58

My PIL are staying with us at the moment to look after DS, after I have had an operation. I appreciate is is very generous and lovely of them, and I am grateful.

However, MIL isn't washing her hands after pooey nappy changes. AIBU to be bothered by this? How can I get her to do this without basically implying she's being disgusting? We do have hand sanitizer at the nappy change station, but I found she as using that BEFORE she changed his nappy instead of after! DS is 8 months old, just for info, and my operation means I can't lift or carry him, or bend over/ kneel down, so I can't do it myself at the moment.

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StarlingMurmuration · 15/07/2015 20:31

To be fair to 00100001, when I've been in hospital this year (several times, on several wards, in two hospitals), that's what the nurses all did when doing obs. They did wash their hands before doing obs on my tiny DS though, but I had a sink in my room. Not sure whether they did when I was on the four bed bay.

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TendonQueen · 15/07/2015 20:32

Laura me too! I am at the skank end of the scale on all the bed changing/towel changing threads. But I ^always* wash with water and soap after any toilet visit, and always did so after nappy changing, unless out somewhere without access to water when I'd use gel or at least a baby wipe on my own hands at the end. Are all the people who think it's disgusting to wear a pair of jeans twice on here as non hand-washers? Doesn't make sense to me. Confused

SophiePendragon · 15/07/2015 20:32

It's because of people like those on this thread who refuse to exercise basic personal hygiene that I feel the need to wash my hands after contact with most public surfaces. And never buy 'home cooked' food, and don't use public toilets.

If you would just bloody bother to wash your hands occasionally it would stop the rest of us having to do so much of it on your behalf.

So selfish, it's unbelievable. And you wonder why illnesses spread so easily.

00100001 · 15/07/2015 20:33

This was 12 years ago. I really wasn't performing open heart surgery. Confused
The bloody hospital library used to cone round and all the books got fondled lovingly and passed around... No-one anti-bacced them!

00100001 · 15/07/2015 20:36

I bet none of you wash tour hands after touching every person you meet. Dewoiye wearing gloves. I bet none of you anti-bac the library books, or wipe down the trolley handles at Tesco!

00100001 · 15/07/2015 20:37

Dewoiye = despite

hotfuzzra · 15/07/2015 20:37

When you've used the loo, you wash your hands then leave the bathroom-do you wash your hands again? How can you be confident someone else who used the toilet washed their hands? The seat, lid, flush and door handle are probably minging.
I don't think 'clean' nappy changing (where you don't touch the insides and get no wee or poo on you) can be compared to using a multi person toilet with germs-a-gogo.
But what do I know. Happy to accept I'm skanky and wrong. I don't keep a black light in my nappy change kit. Smile

00100001 · 15/07/2015 20:37

Thank you OP

ShuShuFontana · 15/07/2015 20:37

I would say I have a relaxed attitude to germs and bugs, ...am usually agog at the hygiene measures boasted about on here, but come the fuck on people, hand washing after a nappy change is basic common sense

ya wee mingin' scutters!

Naty1 · 15/07/2015 20:38

I always wash hands where there is a sink.
It seems there are many things to be caught - worms, d&v, hfm, cmv, (thrush?)
This thread does go towards explaining why there seems so much d&v going around.
The germs may not affect the dc or maybe even you as you are probably immune, but as soon as you go out and touch stuff you are probably infecting others.
Although i do think the huggies wipes are thick enough to prevent it going through. Compared to johnsons etv
The gel surely only kill the bacteria (maybe not even viruses?) and wont remove the actual poo

CMV in pregnancy

CMV is a common virus that is one of the herpes group of viruses, which can also cause cold sores and chickenpox.
Infection can be dangerous during pregnancy, as it can cause problems for unborn babies, such as hearing loss, visual impairment or blindness, learning difficulties and epilepsy.
CMV is particularly dangerous to the baby if the pregnant mother has not previously had the infection at some point in her life.
It is not always possible to prevent a CMV infection, but you can take some steps to reduce the risk. CMV infections are common in young children. You can reduce the risk of infection with some simple steps, such as:
washing your hands regularly using soap and hot water, particularly if you have been changing nappies or if you work in a nursery or day-care centre
not kissing young children on the face – it is better to kiss them on the head or give them a hug
not sharing food or eating utensils with young children, or drinking from the same glass as them
These precautions are particularly important if you have a job that brings you into close contact with young children. In this case, you can have a blood test to find out whether you have previously been infected with CMV.

Hand foot and mouth
One way of transmission -
surface or contact contamination with fecal matter (stool)

MrsDeVere · 15/07/2015 20:39

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mummybare · 15/07/2015 20:41

Okay, look, I tend to be a dirt-is-good-for-the-immune-system kind of mum. I will admit to owning a couple of loo brushes. And I never come off particularly well on those 'How often do you wash your sheets/towels/self?' type threads, but the way I feel about this is: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN SHIT, PEOPLE! WASH YOUR HANDS FFS!

Dirty fuckers.

Skiptonlass · 15/07/2015 20:43

but don't you understand that exposure to germs builds a good immune system?

Yes and no. Exposure to measles, for example, wipes out about two years of immune memory from a child, thus negating everything they've been exposed to and built up defence against (vaccinate your kids, folks.)

I'm happy to let kids get mucky, roll around in the garden, eat worms, play with the cat/dog, etc. that sort of stuff helps their immune system. I don't use antibacterial stuff (pointless) and I don't consider myself particularly tidy.

But I've worked in enough labs to know that an infection in one cell culture can transmit via the tiniest, tiniest bit of contact. I have a healthy respect for our little microscopic friends. They're tenacious and amazingly successful. Bring me your mucky paws and let me press them onto my Petri dish ..... I'll show you exactly whats a-lurking on them!

Hands need to be washed after toilet, nappies and before food prep. I wash mine when I come in from being outside and we take our shoes off in the hallway (standard Swedish behaviour.) shoes in the house here is considered dirty.

No ones suggesting bathing in dettol here, just very basic hand hygiene. Soap, water, good scrub.

Doubly important around tiny babies, patients in hospital, care settings etc. Christ knows how many deaths a year are due to crap hand hygiene.

Wash your hands, people!

Ankleswingers · 15/07/2015 20:43

In my job it's second nature to me to wash hands as I'm fully aware of what can be caught/ spread and believe me, it's not pleasant. On a personal level, I have the same high standards of hygiene too.

Just because you can't "see" poo doesn't mean there aren't traces of E. coli, rotavirus, norovirus etc

I'm quite astounded at the non hand washers as it's just a basic and very simple act of hygiene.

To think what you may do afterwards and what you may touch/ put in your mouth , makes me retch.

It really is no wonder that illnesses spread so damn fucking easily.

MrsDeVere · 15/07/2015 20:43

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Rollermum · 15/07/2015 20:43

I have antibacced a library book. In my defense sometimes the children's board books are crusted in snot and food. I'd only do it to those shiny board type ones so they aren't damaged.

caker · 15/07/2015 20:44

Yuck. I'm astounded at the non hand washers! It really is basic hygiene. We wash hands when we come home too, because of touching door handles at work and nursery, handling money etc. At work (office) we have anti bac gel dispensers on every door - personally I think that's overkill and just wash my hands but it sounds like that is more than most.

Corabell · 15/07/2015 20:45

I am horrified at the number of people who don't wash their hands and seem proud of it. Absolutely disgusting and a complete brass neck.

Ankleswingers · 15/07/2015 20:45

I could not agree with Skiptonlass more.

Well said.

yogababymum · 15/07/2015 20:45

Omg this thread is actually giving me huge anxiety!!! I cannot believe so many people are like this.

00100001 · 15/07/2015 20:46

Oh that's nothing mrsdevere. One ward I worked on once had a patient with TB. All staff had to use the double barrier control system with gloves masks etc the work (I refused to enter)

And the a patients family REFUSED to wear the stuff and wandered in and out freely. I got off the ward was soon as I found out. Walked out of my shift!

Aeroflotgirl · 15/07/2015 20:50

EnvyEnvyEnvy I cannot believe the number of people nit washing after nappy changes, especially poo ones, yuck.

yogababymum · 15/07/2015 20:50

Can I ask, the people who wash their hands, if you all have nice tidy lovely homes??

It's just I tend to see a link between the two with people I know. For example my mum is a non washer (Yuk, no nappy changing for her since I discovered that) & house isn't that clean. Me & My DMil, washer, obsessed with being clean. Just wondering, if it's an outlook kinda thing.

SophiePendragon · 15/07/2015 20:52

I am sorry if I was harsh. If you were told to do it then that is some excuse.

It makes me angry that a lot of hospital staff either are ignorant or just very lazy about hand washing and that hospitals seem to encourage the use of antibacterial gel which many people think means they don't have to wash their hands.

I don't go near it. Touching the dispenser is more dangerous than not using the gel - it doesn't kill the really nasty germs, only the more innocent ones that help keep the nasty ones down.

Same principle as antibiotic overuse. If you knacker the eco system then the only things left behind are the zombie bastards that nothing will kill, including modern medicine.

Aeroflotgirl · 15/07/2015 20:53

With two young kids it's hard, but I keep key areas like kitchen and bathrooms clean, and give the rest a spruce up when they look untidy.

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