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Tube drivers and their pay

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Flashbangandgone · 09/07/2015 18:15

It makes me angry.... Surely tube drivers are paid far, far more than jobs with equivalent levels of responsibility, and they only get away with it because they can hold London to ransom... Do they have no shame!?

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Daisy03 · 11/07/2015 07:22

Vada has it spot on when she said turnover would be extremely high if salaries and conditions weren't so good, and cost of training new drivers is very high.
I suffer a lot with SAD throughout most of winter and there's no way I'd stay for 30k or whatever people are suggesting our salary should be

Beautifulhorizon · 11/07/2015 07:22

Actually Jackie nurses are. It paid much differently to police officers.

According to the RCN the starting pay of a nurse is £21,692, rising to £40,694 for a top rate Band 7.

According to Surrey Police the starting pay of a police officer is £19, 383 rising to £37,254 after seven years. Sergeants start at £38,526 and rise to £41, 865.

Beautifulhorizon · 11/07/2015 07:23

*aren't

JakieOH · 11/07/2015 08:11

nurses you see are band 5, Band 7 nurses are managers, most of whom don't actually nurse patients on wards. The equivalent in the police are superintendenta. If you are comparing like for like they are miles apart so not comparative at all.

lozster · 11/07/2015 08:16

Ok - in job equivalency rating terms compared to a bus driver we've established that the job is in an unpleasant environment (dark, air quality not great) and you need some electrical/mechanical skills (presumably in a limited numer of areas (ie not equivalent to fitter or trained mechanic) and i say this not to be derogatory but because the limited training period could not provide this). I'm still not convinced that these factors are sufficient to justify the huge pay differential???

code · 11/07/2015 08:19

Nurses only rise to those salaries after promotion to the few available managerial positions. Police rise to that salary on number of years service. After 7 years the average nurse is on 27k and average police officer is on 37k. So quite a difference!

lozster · 11/07/2015 08:42

.. To pull this back to the tube drivers - part of the issue and a reason to believe that the job is not so highly skilled it justifies the pay, is that the driver is considered fully qualified and goes straight on to a 40k+ salary after a short (months not years) training period...

derenstar · 11/07/2015 08:48

Wrt to the often drawn comparison to nurses pay - I mentioned before that my mother and sister are both nurses and I'd like to expand on this. I asked them both last night why they didn't choose more lucrative careers, particularly my sister who is very academically bright and could have done anything she wanted in my opinion. My sister said she see it as her duty to help sick children (she is a neonatal nurse) and also that she felt a strong moral duty to. My mother said there weren't many careers available to her back in her day, she [mostly] enjoyed the work and also felt she thought it was expected of her to enter a caring profession.

It's well known that nurses are paid terribly for the job they do but they know this before they go in. I remember as a child my mother working extra night shifts as bank nurse in addition to her normal shifts to make ends meet whilst dad was completing his postgrad. My sister has worked that last three Xmas days in row, I think as we see her on Boxing Day. Many of my sister's friends who graduated with her have left the NHS and gone into private practice or left for the States, she says she stays because she believes it's where she is needed. Yes more money would be nice but it's not the primary motivator for her, she also gets to work the hours that mostly suits her family set up.

The point I am making is that we all make choices, for some money is a key motivator for choosing a career path, for others it's something different. i freely admit I and my husband chose our careers for money, call us shallow if you like! I don't think anyone should have to justify what they do or what they earn or be judged or vilified for it.

Flashbang - I'm glad I've been able to help you challenge your misconceptions and to have provided you with a bit more insight, I hope I have been able to do the same for others.

Themole, Daisy03 and Veda - thank you for providing a clearly articulated and robust defence for your profession although you really shouldn't have had to. The rhetoric each time there is strike is always the same, the drivers are always the target, with most people not even bothering to check their facts. Frankly it's becoming boring and predictable!

Beautifulhorizon · 11/07/2015 09:05

Sergeants are managers who don't often do patrolling police work.

In London a chief superintendent runs an entire borough, in the case of Enfield looking after over 300,000 people. There are two superintendents below that. I guess what you're saying, Jackie, is that a Band 7 nurse would be second in command of a major London hospital?

AskBasil · 11/07/2015 09:11

Well I'm glad that there are still some workers left who have the power to stand up for their rights.

Yes it's inconvenient and annoying that you can't get on the underground, but the reason we have zero hours contracts and low pay meaning tax credits have had to subsidise people's wages, is because very few workers have any power whatsoever.

It cheers me that some still do.

JakieOH · 11/07/2015 09:24

I'm saying a band 7 nurse may very well be one of the '2nd in command' of the nursing team in a major hospital, yes!

AyeAmarok · 11/07/2015 09:24

VadaSultanfuss Very interesting post, thank you.

I wholly support the strike about conditions. I also think their pay is deserved.

Stopandlook · 11/07/2015 09:33

Really interesting thread. Yup my misconceptions have been challenged and I'm feeling much more supportive of the action (and pay!) now.

code · 11/07/2015 11:49

I support the tube drivers earning this money and I wish we had a strong union and stronger workforce demanding the same. Unfortunately female dominated professions such as nursing are still treated as somehow inferior by the men who manage them, or guilt tripped with 'this should be a vocational calling' nonsense.

sunniest · 11/07/2015 13:20

Band 5 nurses can have a ridiculous amount of responsibility, I know one who is regularly the most senior nurse in an A&E dept.

IPityThePontipines · 11/07/2015 15:08

I'm a nurse and I support the strikes. Good for them for having decent unions unlike the feeble RCN.

Lol at someone comparing the very non-essential work of caring for racehorses to providing safe transportation to the general public.

I could talk at length about pink collar jobs and glass escalators, but that's not relevant to this thread.

AyeAmarok · 11/07/2015 16:02

I Pity What are "pink collar" jobs? Grin

AyeAmarok · 11/07/2015 16:03

They sound cool. I think I'd like one.

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