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i am loathing the gradual creep of the term 'gotten' on here

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FrankietheSquealer · 09/07/2015 17:07

Please desist

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FortyCoats · 09/07/2015 17:51

IT DOESN'T EXIST!? Wtf?

I've been prancing around saying that for ages Blush (not continuously "gotten gotten gotten ..." obviously because that's another thread isn't it!)

SenecaFalls · 09/07/2015 17:52

I was about to post about 'can I get'. I hate that too, if anyone says it to me I say, yes help yourself. I would never say it.

You misunderstand the meaning of "get." The only thing that one can quibble with grammatically in "can I get" is the use of "can" rather than "may." The definition of "get" is "to come to have or hold (something); receive". So "can I get" is as correct as "can I have." "Get" does not have some sort of built-in reflexive as so many posters on MN seem to think.

FunkyPeacock · 09/07/2015 17:52

To my thinking, get is the present tense, got is the past tense. Not sure what extra gotten adds?

  • did you get a good mark in your exam?
  • yes, I got an A grade
SenecaFalls · 09/07/2015 17:56

"Gotten" is the past participle of "to get" as "forgotten" is the past participle of "to forget."

RealHuman · 09/07/2015 17:56

Funky - only if you're happy with having the question, "Are you hungry?" answered with "No thanks, I have ate."

Gotten is just a variant word ending that some dialects use for certain past tenses of get.

Smoorikins · 09/07/2015 17:59

Gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten Gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten Gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten Gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten Gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten gotten

All said in my British English accent, just as I have done for most of my 40-plus years.

Sticks tongue out to people that says it's an americanism

Its perfectly good British English.

Ner.

takemetomars · 09/07/2015 18:03

how about 'of a' as in 'it's not that big of a deal' Fucking hate that!
The americans make up all sorts of words. My favourite pet hate is healthful. Already a word for that people.

TheChandler · 09/07/2015 18:10

badtimes 'Gotten' is mainly used in American English, but that does not mean everyone using the word picked it up from the American usage - like many American words, it used to be more common in British English, but has just fallen out of use over the centuries.

I keep reading this on here, but surely its still wrong to use it in the present tense as some ubiquitous substitute for the word "got"?

"Gotten" is past tense (and maybe a plural?) - it describes someone having got something already. I wonder (and I am a language pedant) if it is something to do with the word "got" and its derivative tenses being problematic in English (being encouraged to use "I have" instead of "I got" and so on). It sounds clumsy, because it has lost its prefix "be". If we still said "I have begot", it would sound much more polite. But English has dropped its prefixes (unlike other Germanic languages) so we can't. So we search around for something nicer, and "gotten" is a bit longer, so that gets stuck in instead.

As pointed out above, we have no such problems with "forgotten" or "forget", because they retain their prefixes.

FunkyPeacock · 09/07/2015 18:11

Realhuman - in your example I would either say 'I ate earlier' or 'I have eaten'

I understand what you are saying and I know that 'I have gotten' is just as technically correct as 'I got', but to my ears it just sounds so awful!!

Smoorikins · 09/07/2015 18:17

Exactly Funky - I have eaten is the same tense as I have gotten.

But you see a point to one and not the other?

TheChandler · 09/07/2015 18:17

My personal "favourite" is "to go extinct" or "went extinct".

Whats wrong with "became/become"?!!!

Smoorikins · 09/07/2015 18:19

theChandler, I've never seen someone use gotten in the present tense.

Can you give an example?

geekymommy · 09/07/2015 18:21

Sorry. I use it because I am American.

BitOutOfPractice · 09/07/2015 18:22

Mt DD (15) said it last week in the car.

I stopped the car and gave her a stern talking to.

In fairness she was mortified and said she didn't know what had come over her!

So maybe her upbringing hasn't been all that bad after all

TheChandler · 09/07/2015 18:26

I don't think I can bear to Smoorikins.

SenecaFalls · 09/07/2015 18:27

Y'all need to stop using the word "Americanism" because it is one of those "invented" words coined by an American.

Ludways · 09/07/2015 18:28

I love the evolution of language, the word gotten was used centuries ago and fell out of usage, it's now back. That's fabulous, don't you think? What else could come back, I vote for foresooth?

I use gotten, I'm English but have an American degree, so shoot me. I still use the u in colour and the s in realise, lol.

bigkidsdidit · 09/07/2015 18:28

I hate it too

If I were French I'd be one of those people campaigning against 'le weekend'

bigkidsdidit · 09/07/2015 18:29

Forty why not just say 'I have got'?

SenecaFalls · 09/07/2015 18:29

People in the US do not use "gotten" for the present tense. It is a past participle.

SenecaFalls · 09/07/2015 18:31

What else could come back, I vote for foresooth?

"Perforce" needs to come back.

Ludways · 09/07/2015 18:36

Excellent choice.

The word gotten is in common usage, perforce, it will be added to the dictionary soon.

ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 09/07/2015 18:38

It's already in the dictionary, been there for a while.
check irregular verbs in the back, you'll find get - got - got/gotten

why people get annoyed by stuff like that is beyond me.
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TheChandler · 09/07/2015 19:07

yclept and yclad are also in the dictionary...

Smoorikins · 09/07/2015 19:08

I reckon those of us that use the word should endeavour to use it in every post we make on mumsnet.

I have gotten to quite like the idea.