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to wonder what benefits will get the chop from the £12 billion of cuts?

545 replies

steiner8 · 21/06/2015 18:22

Just that really. I'm wondering which benefits are going to go or be significantly cut. Anyone have any idea?

OP posts:
Alfieisnoisy · 23/06/2015 10:36

I will "out" whoever I like if they are making the type of comments that the poster I was referring to is making Banga and don't call me "comrade" as you have no idea how I voted in the election and I resent you making stupid assumptions that I voted Labour.

So a right royal sod off to you too. I will out who I want and when i want if they make comments like that.

My autistic child has three cats, they help him interact with the world and communicate but apparently I should re-home them as we are now on benefits. Fuck right off to anyone who is thinking the same as the troll and take a look at how overrun the rescues are.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 23/06/2015 10:38

Rehome pets if you're on benefits? WTAF?

Alfieisnoisy · 23/06/2015 10:39

I stand by what I aid last night...I am THAT close to the edge that even "words on a screen" with horrific views calling me "entitled" for keeping my cats are making me wonder what the point is of going on. Surely death is preferable to sharing a world with hateful judgmental...at least I would finally have a fucking rest. I sincerely mean that too.

Anyone thinking that the troll is correct is in that "hateful people" category.

Come and live my life before judging me

ghostspirit · 23/06/2015 11:22

im thinking: if they are cutting taxes for working poor is there any point going to work. time i take out 20 pounds for bus a week. pay 30% of child care. pay for kids school dinners.

if i dont work i would be over the cap due to high rent. but if they are going to cut taxes it seems they are giving it with the right hand and taking it back with the left. so im starting to think is there any point in working :/

i dont get it Confused

MistressMia · 23/06/2015 11:42

ONE poster has suggested re-homing pets.

The hysterics around that comment are disproportionate in view of the fact that many others, including those in favour of benefit reform have said otherwise.

The vast majority of people from all spectrums want a welfare system that is fair and helps those who are genuinely in need. We don't want such people to have a subsistence existence, whether they are on benefits temporarily or long term.

In the proposals mentioned yesterday there was emphasis on the fact that Cameron wants employers to pay higher wages and to move away from a low wage economy. That seems to be being over-looked on here.

Tax-credits should not be subsidising businesses. There may be an economic argument to make exemptions for small businesses.

If once the policy is fleshed out and it does seem that indeed tax-credits are withdrawn without a commensurate increase in salaries, then I think you will find that reform advocates too will be outraged.

We don't want anyone to suffer hardship and indeed would like more help and resources directed to those on here who are reporting their stories of withdrawal of support and services. We want a decent society where those who are able of body and mind are self-sufficient and those who are not are given all that they need.

bangalanga · 23/06/2015 11:44

@Alfieisnoisy - ok, you do as you want, just go with your feelings.

As for cats, I'm a bit puzzled as to how it came up tbh.
Presumably you can afford to support your cats on your money. If you can't, and you give them to someone who can look after them properly, good for you, way to behave like a responsible person. I'm not sure what that has to do with your benefits.

The thing I see a lot is that, despite the fact that every pound given by the state is taken from someone else - from their wages, or from their pension, or from the living standards of their children, or from their local police force's budget, from their equipment and support in combat, from the NHS and so on.

I see a lot of people who are rightly concerned about their cats or their rent or WTF they are going to eat, and very seldom is there expressed, one single solitary fuck given about whoever or whatever is at the other end of that transaction. Until more people accept the conservative understanding that there is a big picture here and it is all joined together, rather than demanding no cuts anywhere, or cuts but always somewhere else than the current topic of conversation, we are on a dangerous road to nowhere.

Not that the conservative party is doing a great job of reducing spending, of course - it's very difficult to when people will potentially be killed by no food, no medicine, no emergency services, no military support etc., and I don't think the current leadership is really properly a conservative one anyway, but being generally against cuts does nothing for anyone - probably everyone is generally of the opinion that cuts are bad.

Alfieisnoisy · 23/06/2015 11:48

Banga, someone further back called me "entitled" because I kept my cats after I went on benefits even though they help my autistic son.

Feelings are running high for me at the moment and I apologise for being snippy.

bangalanga · 23/06/2015 11:55

Presumably you did not ask for extra money for your cats, and if you were offered it, it was because they are seen as medically therapeutic.

As a conservative myself, I would not see payments for a disabled child (and their therapy) as unreasonable, indeed the reason for the welfare system in the first place is pretty much that.

I would expect people to be aware that the pound in their benefit package is always taken by force from someone else, and as a responsible member of society to pull their weight if it half kills them and never claim unnecessarily for that reason, and I'm happy to say so, but please don't think for a second, if you did, that I am involved in casting aspersions on/getting personal with you, your loved ones. Genuinely sorry if you got that impression.

I could never suggest a cat have to be re-homed, it can be such a trial for them to find well-behaved pet humans.

Alfieisnoisy · 23/06/2015 12:13

I agree Banga, I really do, I worked for over 30 years and hope to have many more years of work ahead of me once I have sorted out my son's schooling which is causing no end of issues.
I never lose sight of the fact that our welfare system and taxpayers allow me to concentrate on getting things right for my son at this point.

BreakingDad77 · 23/06/2015 12:16

I totally agree about high housing costs. But again I don't hear the Government announcing any policy to address this

this is cross post from other thread but @redrumlisa tweeted this picture of a leaflet to incentivise (cleanse) the poor out of london

to wonder what benefits will get the chop from the £12 billion of cuts?
ghostspirit · 23/06/2015 12:48

im not surprised :(

rollonthesummer · 23/06/2015 14:05

Haven't read all of the thread, but looking briefly online, it's suggested that cuts won't come from pensions and child benefit.

bbc

ghostspirit · 23/06/2015 14:13

from what i understand its coming from tax credits.either way children are going to suffer

Viviennemary · 23/06/2015 14:28

Yes it seems very clear it's coming from tax credits. I think tax credits are going to be limited to claims for two children. It's not absolutely clear if present claims will be allowed but just not new ones. I don't think they dare remove tax credits from large families only limit them in future and freeze the amounts.

BreakingDad77 · 23/06/2015 14:30

from what i understand its coming from tax credits.either way women and children are going to suffer

Viviennemary · 23/06/2015 14:47

A lot of people seem to forget that benefits come from people paying tax on wages that are a lot lower than the cap of £23K. I agree in principle with the reforms.

ChilliAndMint · 23/06/2015 14:55

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•Face to face services. These were accessed by the most users with 89% of respondents using them for interpretation and 57% for translation of financial or legal documents.
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RachelRagged · 23/06/2015 15:04

And as a Tory voting (indeed former Cameron employee) private landlord who employs an accountant to minimise my tax affairs I'm clearly a cunt on all counts

You said it.

Everything that is wrong with this country. Greed and Selfishness.

LarrytheCucumber · 23/06/2015 15:16

I have heard that DLA and PIP will be classed as taxable income. I heard that too.

BreakingDad77 · 23/06/2015 15:33

helenadove thanks for link indeed.

well back in December it was male Tory MPs voting against a bill to make big companies reveal their gender pay gap, what does that tell you.

TTWK · 23/06/2015 15:35

Round my way TTWK, people are using benefits to fund their keeping horses... Seriously.

Well apparently, according to the MN massive, that's just fine. And you are a scumbag apparently for suggesting otherwise. In fact, the view on here is that a person should be able to keep a whole stable of horses, providing they had them pre benefits. No change in lifestyle is acceptable or required. People on benefits should not be made to feel poor. No sacrifice is needed. Just carry on as before.

And the animals must be kept if it's necessary for the owners mental health. Apparently the welfare state has to pick up the tab for that. And you are a disgusting troll for suggesting otherwise.

ghostspirit · 23/06/2015 15:44

ttwk are you saying people should not have help if they have mental health issues?

Dawndonnaagain · 23/06/2015 15:52

I have heard that DLA and PIP will be classed as taxable income.
Bastards!

Alfieisnoisy · 23/06/2015 15:53

I suspect "it" is indeed suggesting that.

And I don't have a string of horses.....which I agree are a whole different scenario. Just three cats...all rescues. But "it" thinks I am "entitled" for maintaining a commitment to them at a time when I cannot work..

Did "it" ever answer the question of over run cat rescues?

Wondering where "it" stands on the subject of children having a Christmas present. Or is that "entitled" too.

Yes I call "troll" because the views are so extreme I doubt them.

And autism is not a mental health condition, it's a developmental one. Animals are known for helping these children communicate with the world. Shame on you for suggesting that is "entitled".

If you don't like being called a disgusting troll try acting like a human being and less like a hard faced cow. You will be received much better here.

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