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to be weirded out by women in the supermarket

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weirdinsupermarket · 11/06/2015 15:50

... who come up to me and say "My goodness, haven't you got a lot of food! Do you have a big family?"

There are only two of us, and only likely to be so due to infertility. I have to hold it together for a bit, and then I come home and cry.

My trolley is full because I grow lots of my own food and I only shop once a month, so I have lots of cans, UHT milk and juice, and packets of dried things like pasta.

This happens to me every single week. I'm afraid to say that it is invariably said by a woman over the age of 60. I know it isn't meant badly, but I can't explain why my trolley is full without going into details that frankly make me want to howl with the pain of it all.

I realise I am very, very lucky to be able to fill a shopping trolley once a month. I know I am being unreasonable and over-emotional and silly, that other people can't be expected to know my personal circumstances. I'm starting to dread shopping, though.

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weirdinsupermarket · 12/06/2015 07:52

I NCed for this thread because I feel ashamed. Firstly, I feel ashamed of being infertile. Yes, yes, I know that this is also irrational. But I grew up in a household where my mother routinely boasted about how easily she fell pregnant, and took it as a sign of how feminine she was. Perhaps because of this, a part of me feels that I am inadequate and less of a woman because I can't have children. I do realise this is a silly reaction. Before you judge me, if you read on a bit, you'll find that I'm working on this.

Secondly, I feel ashamed of the strength of feeling I have about this. I would like to be striding through it, a survivor who welcomes the opportunities offered by a life without children, who can see possibilities and positives. But I don't feel that way. I feel bereft. It is like a grief. I have a brief few seconds in the morning where I wake up and I have forgotten about it, and then it descends and I have to battle through the day. Because I realise that I am not handling it very well, I do feel guilty, a burden to my friends and family.

I know what you're going to say: I sound like I'm depressed, don't I? That's because I am. But I have been to my GP. I am also seeing a counsellor on a weekly basis, and talking about the irrationalities of how I feel. I'm trying to exercise. I eat well. I drink only moderately. I set myself daily and weekly goals to move forward and I actually achieve some of the objectives these days. I'm working really, really hard to get over this every single day.

But I don't feel better. I realise it will take time and work. But I don't feel good in general at the moment - and the longer I feel bad, the more burdened I feel with letting down all of the people who are trying to help me. I just find it hard to commit to anything future-focused now that future has been rewritten so radically. Of course, I do just have to get on with things. But I am not finding that easy, and yes I do feel like a failure for struggling with it.

I don't know why random strangers approach me and speak to me, but they do. The fact of having my word about this doubted on this thread makes me feel like even more of a freak who can't live a 'normal' life. I must just be the kind of person that random people talk to at the bus stop, or in the street. Often those people are lonely and have problems. Up until now, I haven't minded it. I don't for a second blame the people who do it - they clearly need someone to talk to and some interaction, and if a smile and a few lines of chat can make their day a bit better, then I'm usually OK with that. But sometimes, just sometimes, it is wearing: on a bad day when I am struggling it can feel a bit like I am a psychological dumping ground. And I have a lot of bad days at the moment.

As I said in my original post, I'm not blaming the women who do this. As I said in my original post "I know they don't mean badly". I'm not even saying that they should cease to speak to me. In fact, they may well be going through all kinds of pain. Maybe they are isolated now that their families have left home. Some of them may be dealing with the awful grief of a partner's death. It's just an opening for them to interact and they are entirely innocent in their intentions. As I said before, I know I am being unreasonable and silly.

I am not sure why it matters what supermarket I am at - Confused - but I shop at Aldi.

On the whole, this thread hasn't helped. I just wanted to talk about how crazily off-the-scale my reactions are to this trigger, in the hope that someone would say 'Yes you're being unreasonable, but I felt the same, and x, y, or z helped." It's my own fault for posting it here, though.

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weirdinsupermarket · 12/06/2015 07:54

Sorry, that sounded ungrateful. A lot of you have been sympathetic and lovely, and I have found that helpful. Sad Apologies.

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AnyoneForTennis · 12/06/2015 07:57

In all my shopping years I've never had any random woman approach me, and my trolley is often v v full! I've never heard friends or family say its happened either! How odd!

MrsDeVere · 12/06/2015 08:02

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HolgerDanske · 12/06/2015 08:04

Fgs stop going on about how this has never happened to you! It doesn't matter, it happens to the OP and she finds it hugely distressing.

OP, just read your comment. FWIW I have people talk to me at random times all the time. So you're not alone in that.

I wish you peace, and hope your pain will ease over time.

LobsterQuadrille · 12/06/2015 08:30

OP, I really feel for you. This scenario used to happen to my best friend who was told, at 42 and after many years of trying, testing and IVF, that there was nothing else they could do. She started on-line shopping as an immediate solution and then joined various on-line forums specifically designed for women with the same issues to discuss how to move forward. She actually blanked her friends with children at the same time as she found it too painful to have any contact with them - understandable, but sad.

It sounds as if you are extremely self aware and also that you are taking a number of steps to help yourself. From your latest post, I'm really sorry that you feel that posting on here hasn't helped. Infertility is one of those conditions that it's very hard for people to put themselves in another's shoes. When I was recovering from an eating disorder and still had to maintain rigid control, the most innocuous comment could send me over the edge.

I don't know if this is helpful or exactly the opposite, but my friend ended up having a baby via a donor egg, having looked in depth at adoption and deciding that it wasn't for her.

I wish you all the very, very best. Flowers

PallasCat · 12/06/2015 08:50

OP YANBU Flowers
You have been through a trauma, and are being exposed to a trigger.
To me this sounds a lot like grief.
With the depth and rawness of your emotions, I suspect that if this weren't a trigger, then something else would be: your trauma has caused these feelings, not the trolley-monitors.
You show total awareness that there is nothing malicious in these questions, so clearly your 'head' response is reflective, and it sounds like outwardly your reaction is controlled, which is admirable but is also taking effort and draining you at an already difficult time. You are also taking steps (counsellor, exercise...) that should help you in your response to triggers in the long term. It may not feel like it, but it sounds like you are managing your situation brilliantly (in general, not just your supermarket situation!).

My advice would be, in the short term, to think of any steps you can take to make yourself a less likely focus for these well-intentioned but painful questions.
Someone has already suggested shopping online. Is this feasible?
If not...
Do you shop alone? If you can take someone with you, or pair up with someone also doing their shop, I would think strangers are less likely to try and engage you.
How about wearing headphones? You wouldn't even need anything playing if you didn't want it, but they create a psychological barrier which is what you need right now. It's the same effect as taking out a phone when you're alone in a bar and don't want to be bothered.

Good luck Smile I'd say be strong but you already are. x

TheClacksAreDown · 12/06/2015 14:52

OP YANBU. You've got a tough situation going on there and other people making small talk is pushing you into constant reminders of a deeply upsetting situation. Why on earth should you be OK with that?

I'd suggest wearing little in ear wired headphones - I use them in various situations when I don't want to be engaged in polite chit chat such as riding in black cabs. You don't even need to plug them into anything if you don't want to, you can just push the end into a pocket (although make sure this isn't obvious!)

TheClacksAreDown · 12/06/2015 14:59

And the other thing - I'd suggest having a stock response ready. Practice it repeatedly in front of the mirror - the phrase, the facial expression and the body language - so if you do get asked you've got it on the tip of your tounge and don't need to think about it. Doesn't stop the hurt of them asking but may make you feel a bit better about how you handle it.

IrianofWay · 12/06/2015 15:07

Me too. But I am shopping for 5, 2 cats and a dog, and there is tonnes of the bloody stuff!

I usually say something along the lines of 'Yes, there is a lot isn't there, we've all got hollow legs'. It IS always older people who probably eat like birds. But it really is harmless.

Weirdest comment recently was from a little old Brummie chap in a supermarket by the seaside. He looked me up and down and said 'You ARE really tall aren't you?' He looked genuinely delighted, as if he'd come across a leprechaun or some other extraordinary mythical creature Hmm. I replied that yes I was quite tall and pointed to my (very tall for his age) 12 year old and told him his age. He nearly popped with excitement! I didn't dare tell him my nephew was 6.6' or he'd have died on the spot. People make comments - they often aren't meant to be hurtful.

IrianofWay · 12/06/2015 15:09

Ha! Just seen where you shop OP. So do I!

BTW earphones don't always help. I am usually listening to a podcast while I shop - doesn't stop them. They just tap me on the shoulder to tell me I've got a lot of shopping.

ppeatfruit · 12/06/2015 15:18

No, no one has ever commented on our always overfull shopping trolley because we don't always live here. One woman behind us in the queue did a loud intake of breath when the checkout lady told us how much we owed though . (dh always spends too much).

Maybe go on a different day of the month when the nosy parker isn't there, if it's the same person all the time.

lottiegarbanzo · 12/06/2015 16:01

Well you can say 'I shop monthly', thus answering them, without going into any of your personal circs.

Love the zombie apocalypse responses though.

You know this is all about how you feel, not really about what they say.

OhItsYouAgain · 12/06/2015 16:23

I don't understand why people keep telling the OP that this has never happened to them! That's great for you but is something that happens to and upsets the OP.
YANBU by the way OP, Flowers for you.

Buttermilly · 12/06/2015 19:15

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playingup · 12/06/2015 19:32

I'm so angry that some posters here have been more interested in picking up on mistype or that 'it never happened to them' and didn't see that your post was a howl of pain.

THIS

pinkisthenewpink · 12/06/2015 20:48

I've had comments about my amount of shopping. Usually from the cashiers. I always feel a bit embarrassed as if I'm being frivolous. They're just passing the time of day....as you already know they are.

I am so sorry for the position you find yourself in. It's shitty. And I mean the bigger picture of IF and not today's incident. I struggled to conceive for a year and needed help....I'm sure this is small fry and I hardly dare compare.....but it was one of the worst times of my life - so I really empathise and can totally get that an to-all-intents-and-purposes innocuous if not slightly nosey question can cause you such hurt.IF
really, really messes with your head. And some people won't get it, but some will and......I wish you Wine Biscuit Brew and Flowers.

You sound like you're trying to take good care of yourself in what you can do to manage this situation. I don't know what you can do to stop things like this hurting you....I don't think saying mean things will help you feel better. I wrote a diary where I spewed all the negative things I held instead. And I re-directed my negativity into knitting or crocheting for a good cause.

pinkisthenewpink · 12/06/2015 20:50

Inside....instead of instead!

TheXxed · 12/06/2015 21:17

I have had someone tell me k don't have enough protein in my trolley and I need to balance my diet.

I had only been down 2 aisles.Confused

EponasWildDaughter · 12/06/2015 22:11

OP, given your circumstances it is absolutely and completely normal and understandable that you are hyper sensitive about any comments (no matter how slight, throwaway or well meant) to do with family, babies, or reproducing! Do NOT feel bad about it or feel yourself to be abnormal or freakish.

I suffered a MC and then secondary infertility a few years ago, and (among other things) used to avoid daytime telly because all the baby food and nappy adverts used to make me literally sob.

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CountryMummy1 · 13/06/2015 07:06

Please do not feel bad. You are going through grief and trauma (and possibly post traumatic stress) and we all find that odd things can set us off in those circumstances.

I did the most horrendous things when I was suffering from infertility and then 6 miscarriages. Some of them no one else knows about and they are so awful I would even be too ashamed to post about them here. Others were avoiding all people with children, not leaving the house at school run time and sobbing uncontrollably at baby adverts.

My wonderful consultant said that if he was in charge of budgets he would give women unlimited access to IVF (within medical reason) as the cost of 3 IVF attempts pales into insignificance against the cost of mental health services that most women who cannot have children need.

You are grieving and you need to do whatever you need to do to protect yourself at the moment. Those close to you and certainly those who have been through the hell of infertility should completely understand.

Purpleprickles · 13/06/2015 07:26

OP some people have absolutely no understanding of empathy for infertility probably because they are lucky enough for it never to have touched their lives. Mine is secondary so I can't claim to be in the same place as you but I think you are doing so well to be getting help. I dealt with mine very badly and at it's height avoided baby aisle in supermarkets, looking at people who had more than one child, every baby shower at work etc. It is a grief and it's about self preservation and doing what stops you from going under.

I'd get asked if ds had a sibling, often at the till and when I got to a strong enough point I just told the truth because a bit like MrsD said it seemed more difficult to lie. I got fed up of saying "oh maybe one day" and looking all happy.

I also completely understand the feeling a failure part. It's hard not too when everyone else is popping out kids without blinking..or so it feels. But you aren't a failure. Life is just a bitch at times and unfair so unfair.

Have you visited the infertility pages on here? They will be much kinder and supportive to you than AIBU. Flowers

CrockedPot · 13/06/2015 07:30

I have a massive load (weekly) and if I get one particular cashier in Lidl she always, without fail, says 'ooh, did you mean to buy so much?' As if I am some idiot who doesn't know what I am buying. It gets on my tits but 'smile and nod' was invented for these situation.

leeloo1 · 13/06/2015 07:52

Op, you sound wonderfully reasonable and you deserve nothing but praise (that's not meant to be condescending condescending) for all the efforts you are going to to stay positive and 'deal with' your grief.

Please practice a 'stock phrase' as others have suggested, rehearse in your head being asked the difficult questions and your response 'no, but I grow my own veg, so I only need to shop once a month.' so you can say it without thinking about it. If that doesn't help, then do shop online if you can, to save yourself the upset.

I get a lot of old people talking to me in supermarkets - i like to think it's because I look approachable...

Nanny0gg · 13/06/2015 12:15

I don't know why people continued to go on about the every month/week thing. Op posted straight away that she meant to say month hmm

Because very, very few people ever seem to RTFT. I also assume that they read it on their phones where, I believe, you can't highlight your and the OP's posts in a different colour.

It drives me demented!

And as for those with the helpful 'It never happens to me/I've never heard of that/Seen that before, comments - well, strangely enough, the thread isn't about you so why don't we just accept the OP's experience and advise/comment there?

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