not tot want to eat halal meat?

[Charis1]

I am finding it harder and harder to avoid. I do my best to ensure any meat I eat has lived and died humanely, and I think a lot of halal meat dies cruelly. I don't want to eat it. But all meat provided at work is halal. Much of the places to eat out cheaply around work and home is halal, and I've even heard a lot of the local super market meat is also halal, even if it isn't marked.

Why can't we have an option of guaranteed non halal meat clearly marked and available?

completely agree with you PyjamasLlamas

Just to add ROFL at the belief held by many that we are swamped by halal meat, especially in schools. I live just outside London and halal meat is not served in schools in our area. In fact the main meal at school dinners is pork or ham about twice a week and the veggie option is always dire. If treats are given out by the teacher or at PTA events it's always Haribo, which contains pork gelatine. When my boys play matches for the school, the post match meal is always sausages or pork meatballs, which is quite pissing off for a hungry teenager whose just been running around. We've never been asked if we'd like a vegetarian option.

I do not wish to eat meat that's had its throat slit and been prayed over. I do not wish to eat religious meat.

How do you know non-halal meat hasnt been prayed over? What difference does it make to you whether it has been prayed over?

Where's the OP?

Did she just toss the grenade and run?

Hackmum exactly.

stinkersmum The RSPCA say 84%, the FSA state 88%. But you know that will not be good enough. Or it'll be simply ignored.

Well, its not good enough. c. 15% of animals non-pre-stunned before bleeding to death is not acceptable. Denmark didn't find it acceptable, and banned it.

Why the heck should anyone have to justify why they don't want to eat non-pre-stunned meat? And yes, slaughterhouse practices in this country are questionable in many places, and we should be tackling them too. I actually can't stand these halal proponents who try to insinuate that anyone who is put off by it is a bit dim or misinformed. Butcher's daughter here, and I know what they thought of it. Perhaps on an individual level halal might not be too bad, but when it is transferred to mass slaughterhouses, with beasts being moved long distances prior to slaughter - no. And to be frank, has anyone ever been to a market in a Muslim country and seen how the animals are hauled around, kicked, the broken legs, etc.? If they survive the journey...

However, if the market is moving against what is still a significant element of non-pre stunned meat, no patronising glib assurances or calling people stupid or niaive is likely to succeed. We don't come from a culture where there has been any need for non-pre stunning, and we generally move forwards towards the more technologically available procedures, not backwards.

no food in uk should be sneeked in as halal it should all be very clearly marked so we can all choose. the majority of the uk are not muslim we should not be forced to eat halal meat.

Animals have as much right to live as we do.

I do not want to eat halal too, just because I refuse that part of the price I pay for my food is going toward paying an imam's wages, or fee

Why, FrenchMind? Genuinely interested. There are a load of people around whom I dislike cordially, e.g. bigots, but I accept that they have a right to earn a living and I'm unlikely to boycott their employers' products or services because of it.

they have to pay an Imam to come and pray over the line and food. I do not want to participate to that.

So are you OK with paid workers swearing obscenely over the line and food? Because I can assure you that happens regularly in non-halal slaughterhouses.

Ilovechelseaflowershow, do you ever go to Indian restaurants? Do you cross examine the waiter about where the meat comes from?

surelycue

we should all muslim and non muslim alike be very aware of what meat is halaal or not.

Why would any muslim want non - to eat halaal meat.

It goes against many peoples principles regardless of slaughter.

If say all catholics had to drink wine that was blessed, I would totally understand people not wanting all wine to be blessed. its the principle, the feeling the sentiment behind it. I dont want to impose my catholisim on others in anyway shape or form. Thats called dogma.

Altered images - The bolt to the brain is the stun.

icimoi you mean when I choose to go into an Indian?

When of my own free will I choose to go in there?

No.

I think Chandler is right in saying that the problem is when it is done on a mass production level which is another reason we don't go out of our way for halal meat in the UK.

I do not care about swearing (it would also be pretty hypocritical).
It's just that I am pretty critical of Islam (not Muslims), and I refuse that even a minimal part of what I pay toward my food goes to its mouthpieces (read up thread on fees that can be paid to Imams to pray over the food).
It's a free choice. I am not complaining about the amount of Halal food available, I am just adding my piece as to why people can refuse to eat Halal: it's not only about humane reasons.

In most cases in the UK the only difference is that there is a prayer being said (or audible) during the slaughtering. Perhaps they should re-brand halal in the UK as 'prayed over'.
People saying 'if you care about animal welfare then don't eat meat' - do you think the farmers will then set their animals free ?

TheChandler please understand if I don't quite view Denmark as a paragon of cruelty free animal rights virtue considering that bestiality was still LEGAL there til two months ago.

Stinkermum Was it? Beurk! I thought it was universally forbidden!

I understand people not wanting to eat halal meat if they don't agree with the religious aspect of it. But if you refuse to eat it on animal welfare grounds while cheerfully eating all other meat then I'm sorry but you're being ridiculous.

Op yabu x

If you ever come back to this thread ...

Islamphobia and French bashing aside, there have been a few pp on this thread that have stated that the only way to ensure our food is humanely treated is to become vegetarian or vegan.
I disagree.
Temple grandin put forward humane slaughtering practice in the U.S. Something like 80percent of slaughter houses in America now use her system.
She cared enough about the welfare and emotive responses of the cattle that she crawled through the walkways at their level to identify what upset them.

Slaughter does not need to be inhumane.

“I think using animals for food is an ethical thing to do, but we've got to do it right. We've got to give those animals a decent life and we've got to give them a painless death. We owe the animal respect.”
? Temple Grandin

Look, I'm not being funny, but there isn't actually a good reason or humane way to kill an animal that is fit and healthy. You can raise it as nicely as you want but at the end of the day you're still slaughtering it so it can be eaten.

I'm not veggie btw, but I do get a bit sick of people going on about how if you slaughter humanely it's all fine. Just admit you're happy for animals to be killed so you can eat a burger, ffs!

I agree TheChandler. If it's OK for those 85% to be stunned, where's the problem with making it 100% ?

we should all muslim and non muslim alike be very aware of what meat is halaal or not.

Why should we all? it makes sod all difference to me. I dont care. Say as many prayers as you like over my food, even while i'm eating it. I dont care. It makes sod all difference to the actual food. No we should not all care. Care if it matters to you, dont tell me what to care about.

Why would any muslim want non - to eat halaal meat.

not sure what point you are making here.

f say all catholics had to drink wine that was blessed, I would totally understand people not wanting all wine to be blessed. its the principle, the feeling the sentiment behind it. I dont want to impose my catholisim on others in anyway shape or form. Thats called dogma.

you entirely miss my point. I asked how did that poster know their meat wasnt being prayed over? Any of the slaughterhouse workers could be praying to the fucking devil as they kill the meat. You would never know! It makes no difference.

No iamadaftcoo you are not being funny.
They are bred for meat.
Humane slaughter is owed to them.

I am happy to eat a burger that was slaughtered humanely.