not tot want to eat halal meat?

[Charis1]

I am finding it harder and harder to avoid. I do my best to ensure any meat I eat has lived and died humanely, and I think a lot of halal meat dies cruelly. I don't want to eat it. But all meat provided at work is halal. Much of the places to eat out cheaply around work and home is halal, and I've even heard a lot of the local super market meat is also halal, even if it isn't marked.

Why can't we have an option of guaranteed non halal meat clearly marked and available?

eating meat means killing animals. Slitting their throats, electrocuting them, shooting them, twisting their necks as we do with the ickle bunnies in our garden if they keep digging under the chicken wire that protects the veg. I don't think any of those methods are more or less humane than any other as long as they are done properly, which means they are quick.

don't like it? Don't eat meat.

They do. God knows why, but they do. I was asked lately why I was fondly the veal in Tesco... I was just looking for the labels.

iniquty that is exactly it it hasbog all to do with animal welfare and everything to do withreligious meat

nobody would even bat an eyelid and the methods used to kill an animal in a slaughter house if it was just the norm. But Islam got involved and it all went tits up.

You ask these people who complain about halal food, and they can tell you intricately the whole halal process and why it is so cruel.

Ask them how their "normal" meat is killed, the transportation, the process, the machines, knives, stunning, killing, skinning....etc involved and most won't have a fucking clue.

Yes it really is ironically amusing to hear a French person get all holier than thou about animal welfare when in their country it is normal to literally force feed a goose high protein food through a hose which has been pushed down their neck, with a funnel attached to the top to pour the grain into.

In addition they eat deep fried ortolans, (something like a starling) so disgusting that you have to put a cloth over your head while you are eating.

Then there is the undeniable fact that they still dock horses - take the end of the animal's spine off and expect it to work as normal.

Oh yes and that lovely delicacy frog's legs where the legs are hacked off the live animal which is then thrown back to die in pain.

Oh and they eat horses. Please, French lady, put your own house in order before you start on other cultures.

Mrsjayy, we are highly contagious after all.

OfaFrenchMind I don't think halal meat is as big a money spinner for Imams as you seem to believe, although whether to eat halal meat is of course your prerogative.

Do you live in France? If so, I believe your stance rules out a very high proportion of eating establishments.

Incidentally, there was an investigation a couple of years ago in France and they found that most slaughterhouses have a single production line and were labeling some as halal. A lot of the halal meat wasn't halal and some of the non halal was.

SunnyBaudelaire where did I mention anything about humane slaughter? Please, misguided poet, read the thread before making a point.

Ah the good old French and their animal welfare.

One day you're eating a chicken leg, the next you are reciting the Quran and you have no bloody idea why.

And again, the French did not mention the way of slaughtering the beasts. But acknowledging that would keep you from some good old French bashing, wouldn't it ?

What's the problem with eating horses, beyond the slaughter issues already being discussed in this thread?

I don't have a problem with horse as long as it's not knackered old racehorse stuffed with performance-enhancing drugs, sold from the back of a lorry.

altered would you buy and eat meat from an animal that had been stunned and killed whilst parts of the bible were read out by a christian leader?

oh thanks, Frenchie, did you find my anti Gallican rant poetic? You made my day!

OK so at least you are being honest, you just don't like Islam.

Yet how France profited from colonising Muslim countries!

ArcheryAnnie, I agree, but fear that your second paragraph may well be the case.

Am a bit at the wee bit of cognitive dissonance from all the people concerned about racism and then having a good old bash at the French. Because all French people are the same.

Whereas the UK, this bastion of tolerance, like the % UKIP got at the last election shows, never got anywhere near colonizing other countries. Nope. Never.

I think that's probably right, Sunny - my problem with Stealth Horse in prepared food was down to it being knockoff and dangerous, not the mammal concerned.

(I've tried crocodile - because it was cheap in Iceland - and I surprised myself by having a squick reaction to it. I thought I'd eat anything, and I've eaten all kinds of weird stuff, but recoiled when it came to it, and all it was, was an inoffensive pale burger. Didn't taste very nice, either.)

hahaha well at least we do not have Marine LePen.
Yes Britain was a colonial power, obviously.
I mean I do not want to say too much here, because it is Mumsnet and talk has to be within certain guidlelines, but let's just say it is not very easy to be a Muslim in France, is it?

Yes VeganCow, I would. In fact many Muslims do on the basis of a verse of the Qur'an which states that the food of Christians and Muslims is fine to eat. Others hold a stricter interpretation but I think they are in the minority.

FWIW as I mentioned up thread I buy normal meat because as far as I can tell their isn't much difference between the two. I wouldn't take the religion of the person performing the slaughter as the basis for my decision.

Am a bit hmm at the wee bit of cognitive dissonance from all the people concerned about racism and then having a good old bash at the French. Because all French people are the same.

French people aren't all the same, it is there animal treatment the person was bringing up, which is true, that is what they do to their animals, that is accross the board

The French person (moi) was not bringing it up! Good god, is your coffee Irish or do you have selective understanding?

If you take one attribute (in this case hypocritical attitudes towards animal welfare) and ascribe it to an entire nation, you are on pretty shaky ground, though, Coffee. Especially when "the French" includes lots of people against whom the hypocritical attitudes of some French people are directed.

I don't eat meat - though I do love a nice bit of blue steak and would happily eat horse meat. The reasons I don't eat meat are to do with animal cruelty. I think it's too hard to know for sure that the animals have had a good life and a painless as possible death so I go without.

I think to avoid halal meat only is a bit silly. Unless you go out of your way to only eat animals who've had the happy life and painless as possible death - in which case why single out halal as the bad guy here? Also what about Jewish kosher meat (sorry I don't know the correct term for it)? As far as I know this is prepared in a similar way to halal, yet you never hear people moaning about that. I think the anti-halal meat has a very Islamaphobic feel to it.

I think we need to lay off the French a bit. The comparisons have nothing to do with the basis of the discussion and it is getting a bit nasty.

Sunny I lived in France for two years as a Muslim with hijab and honestly never had an issue with anyone and people were always polite and welcoming, regardless of the political climate.

I am sure I would have found it hard to find work but that is a separate issue.