to ask, why does David Walliams act so camp?

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is it part of his image or something?

I just dont get it.

Yes I presume he's only Walliams because another David Williams was already registered with Equity. Pretentious would be changing his name to the Marquis David De La Rue.

I dont think he's gay, his ex was a model

I know the thread has moved on quite a bit but that made me laugh out loud. Very amusing. [Big grin]

Just to add something, can't people just 'be'. I mean can't they just be who they are without people questioning their sexuality because of it, I'm sure you can't work out gay, straight or bi through behaviour alone (excepting dating perhaps!)

He began his career with mAtt Lucas at uni, so he's probably played that part for years and just does it all the time now.

I hate all this is Harry Styles gay business- as far as I'm concerned, it's nobody's business, I think Taylor Swift is the most asexual female ive ever seen, but so what? It must be the hardest thing in the world growing up in public and I applaud Harry for staying so grounded- he seems to be the only one really photographed falling out of nightclubs or smoking joints and thinking they're cool. AND he phones his mum every day, bless him.

The contract they're in works them like dogs, I wasn't surprised Zayn left tbh.

Anyway, in this day and age I don't think it should be an issue do you have to have a label? I feel so sorry for some actors in Hollywood more so than here, who do have to marry.

Of course, there's the other side- the paedophiles like Jimmy Saville and allegedly Cliff Richard who have never married.

I've seen pictures of David Walliams and he looks utterly devastated- she looked utterly delighted in every picture I saw of her in Cannes.

ApplePaltrow
I don't get it. The legal burden of proof for most criminal cases is "beyond a reasonable doubt". It's the highest possible standard because the consequences are so dire (loss of life and liberty). We don't apply this standard anywhere else in our lives because it isn't necessary. You only found circumstantial evidence of an affair but - oh well - only 75% sure!Best ignore it. Yeah, I don't need evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a shifty bugger because this isn't court.

Prejudice clouds perception and judgement, regardless of the case. (And what about the burden of proof for tort, including matters relating to e.g. discrimination; defamation?)

The point you seem to be making is that prejudice is acceptable if you think you can get away with it legally. What about the moral case for not exercising prejudice? I have to say, I find your comments about DW pretty repugnant.

fascicle

You seem mistaken about what prejudice is. prejudice is pre judging someone based on their general characteristics. If I thought camp = gay or camp = creepy, then that would be prejudice. I don't.

Having an opinion based on evidence specific to an individual is not "prejudice".

Civil courts rely on a preponderance of the evidence standard (51%). Not sure how that helps you.

ApplePaltrow
What is your evidence/basis for making these comments?

He's creepy and horrible. He's the kind of man I wouldn't trust to pour me a drink.

I'm just pointing out that he seems untrustworthy and really really gross.

Yeah, I don't need evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a shifty bugger because this isn't court.

He's not creepy because he's camp. He's creepy because he's creepy.

I think he camps it up because it gets a laugh and that's what comics love isn't it

plus he admits he likes men and women in that way

I think it unsettles people as they don't know where they stand with him

I imagine he is a typical comic crazy mad then down and depressed
high maintance
I feel for him if his ex wife takes the baby to her home country now they have split up

yetanothernamechange what makes you see Alan Carr as creepy? I like the fact that he is by his own admission, 'common, camp & doesn't give a monkeys'. And i would think it was bloody tough being the gay son of an ultra butch footie manager. I dont think DW is creepy - its just that the eyes give away that what you see isnt what you get so that makes people uneasy. I think he is probably quiet and very reserved in real life.

I've met him and he was creepy. Just because someone's had a hard time growing up doesn't mean they are necessarily a great person.

The word 'creepy' has been used a number of times on this thread. I think it's pretty objectionable to use the word to describe someone, especially if the person using it hasn't even met the person. It's a non specific word with unpleasant undertones; it's highly subjective and doesn't really say anything about the person to whom it's applied - it's more to do with the negative feelings of the person using the word. I think it would be more honest and objective for people using the word to identify more specifically what they feel about the person and why.

I think he camps it up because it gets a laugh and that's what comics love isn't it

But it's not funny.

Fasicle, it always strikes me as odd when folks on the internet get up in arms to protect the reputation of celebrities.

Celebrities court public opinion. That's the nature of the role. They frequently court gossip, because that's a quick route to mass coverage. And people talking about them is what keeps them famous, thus maintaining a market for their livelihoods.

It's unreasonable to try and police this, demanding the public's opinion must only be of a type you approve. There's gossip around celebs' outfit choices, hair, body shape, relationships, home buying/selling, interior decor, modes of transport, dietary choices, reproductive state, finances, friendships, social lives, sexuality, politics, leisure activities, addictions, holidays, plastic surgeries, dental work and everything else they can get into the media. It feeds their careers. MN is part of the media.This helps keep Walliams in work.

It's bonkers to try and silence others' opinions in any case. In a case like this, you're not actually helping the celebrity.

it's highly subjective

Yes, that's how personal opinions are

Can you remember that poor guy in Bristol who was under suspicion about killing his neighbour - because the media and the great British public decided he looked "odd" or "creepy".

Judging people in the public eye (celebs or non-celebs) by the way they look impacts everyone - i.e. it becomes acceptable to make character judgments because of how someone looks. What message is that giving DC?

Gilrack
It's unreasonable to try and police this, demanding the public's opinion must only be of a type you approve.

it's highly subjective

Gilrack
Yes, that's how personal opinions are

You've entirely misunderstood the subtleties, Gilrack. Perhaps you'd like to show me where I said that people could only have an approved opinion.

What I'm objecting to is opinion presented as fact and opinion that appears to be completely unfounded.

It's unreasonable to state, as fact rather than opinion, without any explanation, that someone 'is creepy'.

SilverBirch I agree. I think a number of comments on this thread fall into the category of prejudice.

What I'm objecting to is opinion presented as fact and opinion that appears to be completely unfounded. It's unreasonable to state, as fact rather than opinion, without any explanation, that someone 'is creepy'.

Object as much as you like. When I post that I find him inexplicably disturbing, it's obviously my subjective opinion. It is also a verified fact because I know how I feel. You don't. Well, you do now!

It may be slightly shocking to learn that personal opinions do not all have to be prefaced "In my personal opinion" - the fact that the speaker's giving an opinion is enough. Equally shocking: a chat forum isn't a court of law. But thanks for your continued exertions.

I'm not sure why people are saying DW is creepy on a thread about why he is camp, unless people do find him creepy because he is camp. This may be because they feel he is pretending to be something that he is not (gay) but he is an actor. Actors always pretend to be something they're not. Its their job.

Because he's a lady don't you know

I think the 'creepy' comments come from his leering expressions rather than his campness.

I love him
I don't think anyone's sexuality is anyone else's property

Used to work at the BBC, he walked past and gave me huge flirty grin/seriously eyed me up (then when I looked back he was still looking/rear view) I decided then was such a flip reaction (well, I was looking seriously hot that day- JOKE!!) he must be straight...was rather all aflutter

I think the leering is part of the camp act. It seemed to go into overdrive when he got married, like he was trying to keep up the persona, even though he was blatantly straight!

I've just checked some photos of him.... He's not bad looking in fact quite good looking but the grins he does smacks of smarm and perv! He looks quite normal when he's not doing that like an accountant

Judging people in the public eye (celebs or non-celebs) by the way they look impacts everyone - i.e. it becomes acceptable to make character judgments because of how someone looks. What message is that giving DC?

Wtf are you talking about? We make character decisions based on the way people behave all the time. It's called life. I'm talking about his behavior. I hope to god my DC will heed their instincts with people who make them feel uncomfortable instead of ignoring them and being part of the 1/6 (?) women who are sexually assaulted in their lifetime.

Why are people being so self righteous and po faced?