Parent and child spaces - would you sign this petition?

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A woman has set up a petition for safeguarding parent and parking spaces for under 5s here

RB- thank you for restoring some sanity!!

You would never think that we all managed perfectly well without them RB68! They are a fairly recent thing.

And tomato too. There absolutely can, and should, be both. Both have a need- albeit different. Both are valid needs. When one group starts shouting at the other the point is missed. As I've said- argue for more disabled spaces, more blue badge categories- "temporary need" for example.

Meh- supermarkets are fairly recent things and yet we seem to value those don't we.

rB68 yes of course that's if people are jealous! jealous of what exactly? People who seemingly can't possibly leave the house with a baby without a superwide space? People who seem to think that having a baby is comparable to a disability?

We don't need more p and c spaces. Use them when they are available but as the vast majority manage park somewhere else if they aren't.

I can't ever imagine being jealous of people stupid enough to think that having a baby is comparable to a disability?

Sirzy where I live there are no disabled spaces, imagine how the disabled people in my town manage? But they do! Just because people manage doesn't mean they should continue to do so and society can't progress. Progress is the ability to improve for the benefit of everyone. The UK is far more advanced than my little backwards town in Brazil, but that won't last if people can decide to trump the needs of others because their cause is not deemed worthy enough.

tomato if you live in the EU then there has to be disabled spaces by law!

Sorry, just seen you live in Brazil. Just because people cope there doesn't mean we should go back to times of disabled people being housebound in this country.

Tomato. It's not about being "worthy" it's about being realistic. For SOME p and c spaces seem to lead to helplessness

"there is also the possibility that a Mum can be shopping within weeks of a birth, bit longer for cesarean supposedly (but needs must etc for some) but also Mums in that situation might need to be closer."

Hang on a moment. I'm a little confused.

In what world is the average mother un able to go shopping "within weeks of a birth"? I don't mean those who had CS's ( I was out and about within a week of having one but I do appreciate that not everyone's goes as smoothly). I'm talking of the average mother who, like me, has the average vaginal birth. Or am I the only woman who went shopping within three days of giving birth? Am I superwoman or something? Did I miss the memo saying it's not possible to be shopping within weeks of a birth, especially without using a car?

Supermarkets are not recent - parent and child spaces are.
Before supermarkets most people shopped without cars so I don't see what it has to do with it.

I went shopping on the way home from the hopsital with DS1 hooby, so 3 days too.

TheFairyCaravan you have totally missed the point. I was saying to progress not go back to people being housebound

Genuinely I don't get the aggression against the value of p&c spaces. I don't get it. They don't impact negatively on anyone, they are a major benefit to many. Why the argument?!

But progress would mean more accessible spaces for all, not just a small sector of the populace who do not have a discernibly greater need than for example people with disabilities that are intermittent, as described above

I don't have a problem with the spaces. I do have a problem with parents having a go at others using them when the other person has greater need of the space.

because sometimes when people with a need, but no child, park in them they get 'the evils' from people who have no idea about their situation.

Sing, any aggression is not being demonstrated by those who say P&C spaces are a nice thing to have, not an essential and would be better placed away from the entrance of the store.
Aggression is being shown by attempting to compare the possibility of carrying a small baby in ones arms rather than in a cater seat to people with a disability, whether immediately visible or hidden.

I agree that, I don't have a problem with the spaces. I also have a problem with self righteous people having a go at others using them when the other person has greater need of the space.

I do, however, feel an aggressive rage towards anyone stupid enough to compare having a child to having a disability.

Well, I found the P&C space at the supermarket very useful today when I was driving DH's coupe which has really large doors.

Didn't even have the kids with me.

Do I care? No.

Everyone who spends money in a supermarket has a right to park in their carpark - afterall, everyone contributes to their profit.

If they are designated p&c spaces then that is what they are intended to be. That is what the supermarket wants to provide. Parents with young children. They are not provided for the use of anyone else. If you feel that the supermarket should provide bigger spaces for another group of people, you should campaign to them not simply use spaces that are not intended for your use.
And I agree. Bigger spaces for all would be a huge step forward. I know many disabled activists who would argue that categorising anything as specifically for the disabled is unacceptable ("that's your door, that's your seat, that's your parking space etc etc). That, in fact, better general provision is far far better.

Good for you Zee. It's a marvellous approach to life isn't it. I'm alright Jack and sod the rest of them.
Would I have a raised eyebrow at someone doing that? Hell yes.

I know many disabled activists....

really?