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Irish abortion laws

999 replies

crumpet · 23/05/2015 16:38

In all the publicity about the gay marriage referendum Aibu to wonder why there hasn't been mention of the abortion laws? Have I missed discussion on this?

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bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:17

Not sure why it's so important to you Bert but see my previous post. ^^

BertrandRussell · 26/05/2015 09:31

"I would have thought it was fairly obvious that I'm definitely more pro-life than pro-choice. Most people here know that from other threads."

Yep. Clear as mud. Why can't you give a straight answer?

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:34

Eh?

jusdepamplemousse · 26/05/2015 09:35

I struggle to understand what 'more pro-life than pro-choice' is supposed to mean? Do you mean you do agree that in some circumstances women should have a choice or something?

BathtimeFunkster · 26/05/2015 09:35

People do NOT like it here if you even HINT that things that are done in England might be better. but will tell you in the same breath that things that are done in England might be better. There's this curious situation where there are people doing things in my field here that have been done in the UK for years and years but if they're done in an Irish context they're described as "innovative" and "unique" but if you report them as having worked in the UK context, people ask you where's the evidence that THE EXACT SAME THING could ever work in Ireland.

OK, this is the first post I've read on any thread recently that seems to be genuinely saying that Irish people are backward, stupid, defensive, and define themselves entirely in relation to England.

That is not my experience at all, and I left Ireland very recently and visit for extended periods frequently. (It would be very easy for me to maintain a voting registration if I didn't respect Ireland's need to restrict voting to residents.)

I don't know who you know, or what you do, but what you describe sounds like an attitude I thought had mostly been left behind - an inferiority complex combined with a constant need for external praise. "Oh we're a great little country really..."

I also don't recognise the hostility to emigrants, or sense that leaving the country to live elsewhere makes you less Irish.

As for "self-identifying" as Irish, if you are Irish born and bred? Grin

Sorry, no. She's Irish and if Ireland pisses her off she has as much right to say it as any of the other Irish people living anywhere in the world, including Ireland.

We are not such a shitty little nation that we have to all talk up Ireland and Irishness all the time.

How embarrassing and insulting it is to be told that Ireland is too crap to bear having Irish people ever say anything negative about it.

jusdepamplemousse · 26/05/2015 09:35

If so, I wouldn't have picked that up from your posting here.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:36

I think I spy a name change. Your attitude is very familiar. I will no longer be engaging with you.

SabrinnaOfDystopia · 26/05/2015 09:37

Because she knows her position on this is clearly contrary to a woman's right to her own bodily integrity. That's why she can't give a straight answer. So she has to use the weasel-words.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:40

jus, I just meant that it should be obvious that my opinions on this thread are pro-life rather than pro-choice so I thought my position would have been clear. Would anyone on this thread consider me pro-choice? Confused

SabrinnaOfDystopia · 26/05/2015 09:40

I seriously doubt anyone would bother to nc to argue for a woman to have a right to bodily integrity, or that a woman's consent should be asked before she is subjected to medical interventions while pregnant.

It's a fairly standard view on MN - a majority of Mnetters hold this view.

"I spy a namechange" is a cop-out.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:40

Jeez - damned if you do and damned if you don't.

LotusLight · 26/05/2015 09:41

It's always a very emotive issue. Lots of people are anti abortion in England and Ireland. I am pro but I can understand the position of people who are against. I also understand how strong people's views are on it. However it's important we talk about it as exchange of ideas leads to mutual understanding.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:42

No Sabrinna, I recognise an attitude from her posts and I'm not going to get reeled in.

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 26/05/2015 09:43

I certainly would have a lot more respect for you, bumbley, if you could engage directly with posters, rather than squirming around, evading, dodging questions. It's incredibly off-putting to read (and I suppose it must be draining to write!).

Why not have the courage of your convictions and state plainly what you mean?

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:43

Good post Lotus. I actually thought this thread was really interesting and everyone was expressing opinions abc sharing ideas without the mudslinging that usually goes on. It seems to be slipping a bit though.

BertrandRussell · 26/05/2015 09:43

And there was me thinking that it was bad form to draw attention to name changes.Grin

Happy for you to no longer engage with me. You will therefore not mind if I say openly that you are a radical pro lifer.. Probably associated with one of the groups-such as SPUC- which coach their supporters in how to "debate" in a way that might appear to the uninitiated to be measured and reasonable, while pushing an extreme agenda.

IMHO

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:44

George, I have answered all your questions and sorry, but you 'squirmed' around one of my questions for about 2/3 pages before you finally answered.

jusdepamplemousse · 26/05/2015 09:45

So why not just say you are pro life then and you don't think women should have a choice?

SabrinnaOfDystopia · 26/05/2015 09:46

Well don't get reeled in then - you can just leave it, without making silly comments like that.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:47

Lol - see everyone! This is why I don't usually bother answering that question - all the silly accusations come out about being associated with SPUC etc.

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 26/05/2015 09:47

No I didn't - you simply missed my post which set out my position in an (a) (b) format.

BathtimeFunkster · 26/05/2015 09:48

"debate" in a way that might appear to the uninitiated to be measured and reasonable, while pushing an extreme agenda.

Bingo.

That's what I referred to when I said it was uncivilised.

Dishonest posturing and lying is not part of any civilised debate.

But there's going to be a lot of this kind of thing. You can spot it a mile off when you know what you're looking for.

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 26/05/2015 09:48

Yeah, I remember a previous thread in which bumbley claimed never to have heard of SPUC

GeorgeYeatsAutomaticWriter · 26/05/2015 09:49

As if it's possible to be as well-informed about the 8th amendment as bumbley claims to be without having heard of SPUC. I think she might even have professed innocence of Youth Defence as well.

bumbleymummy · 26/05/2015 09:49

Jus - because it's not as simple as 'I don't think they should have a choice' it's just that I value the right to life more than the right to choice. Again, this is just my opinion.

Sabrinna, because I don't want to be accused of 'avoiding her questions' I just don't engage with her - you can now see why. Moving on.

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