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Being used as a childcare prop to another parent's social life?

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Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 18:05

Hello, I'm sorry this is a long one but would be very grateful for some feedback/advice. I'm not sure if I'm just being a resentful, mean-spirited old biddy, or if I have genuine cause to feel used.

I'll need to use abbreviations throughout: W is my 13-year-old son, D is my son's friend and S is D's mother. Got that? Then I'll begin...with a few facts for starters:

S has a partner plus an army of childcare for D (an only child) from her ex-husband and his parents, various friends, etc. She goes away with just her partner every other weekend when D stays with her ex. We have two sons, one still at primary-school, and have never, ever had any childcare support to rely on, other than paid. So yes, I admit to being envious on that front in the current situation. However, that honestly wasn't an issue to begin with.

Now I'll try to explain the situation: D lives about 20 minutes away from the school, so our house is a convenient place closer to the school. D is dropped off here every morning to walk in with W and a few other of his friends. Initially, D started coming back here after school a few times a week, to spend time with W. W was initially invited to D's house in return (but has been there at the most 5 times in total since they became friends more than 2 years ago). At first I was just happy that W had a good friend and didn't mind. S repeatedly checked it was okay and I said it was fine because I had no idea then that she would start to abuse it. Also, she used to occasionally pop in for a quick chat and cup of tea when collecting D which was nice.

But, in recent months, I have very rarely seen her and she has started to organise her whole social life around the expectation that W can come back here, with a myraid of other people collecting him. On the few times she shows her face, she's always in too much of a rush to come in for a chat. D still only comes a couple of times a week. It's not for long and it's no great inconvenience in itself but it's the attitude behind it that I'm starting to resent. For example, when D's after school club was cancelled at the last minute, S called me to ask if he could come back here because she was at the Ideal Home show and didn't want to rush back in the traffic! Recently, she asked me to help in a minor way with arrangements for D when plans changed while she was away on a spa break with her partner (which she took great pleasure in telling me about). The change of plan didn't work and I ended up having to call her ex-mother-in-law to find out what was going on. She was pretty fed up that S was away while everyone else was running around to sort things out and to be honest, I felt exactly the same way. From the rare conversations we have, S always seems to be out lunching with a friend or at some other social event, so there's no good reason why she can't collect D on time. I always without fail have to be there after work to collect my younger son from his school. As S is currently not working, I feel she doesn't have an excuse for relying on us as a fallback for childcare so much, especially as she has so many other sources of help. Also, she hasn't invited W over for months.

AIBU to feel resentful and used? Having D is no great inconvenience and so am I just being churlish? if I say anything, I'd end up jeapordising my son's friendship which I don't want to do. On the other hand, I'd never dream of relying on someone else to prop up my social life in the way that S does, rather than just asking for help in an emergency. (I have only ever once asked another friend to collect my son from school after I lost my father and I couldn't face going to the school.) Does anyone have any advice on how to cope with the resentment?!

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Mrsdoyle1 · 17/05/2015 14:30

Hello, ICUB4UCMe, nice to hear from you again! I'm older than I'd like to admit here Grin, but am beginning to realise that I'm probably not as good as I should be at setting boundaries to avoid people taking the mickey, at least in some areas. I don't think I'm unassertive, exactly, but let's just say there's probably room of improvement, ahem...!

Unfortunately, I do find saying 'no' to people leaves me feeling more awkward than it should, although it doesn't stop me if I really don't want to do something. Your 'five minutes to think about it' rule sounds like a really good plan and I'm definitely going to try using it the next time I'm asked for a favour.

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Mrsdoyle1 · 17/05/2015 14:35

NewTwenty, thanks for your post, and for the babysitting suggestion. That may be a very good start to moving the arrangement more to my advantage, and hopefully I can work my way up from there towards a night away somewhere with my husband! Smile

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Mrsdoyle1 · 17/05/2015 14:45

Halsall, thanks for your lovely message, and glad that you don't think I'm BU. A slice of Cake sounds like a very good idea, so I'll follow up on that advice - not that I need much persuasion on that front, though! Wink

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Mrsdoyle1 · 17/05/2015 15:04

grapejuicerocks, thanks for posting and I appreciate your advice on this. Your post and some of the others here point out about how friendships - and the accompanying arrangements - change as children get older, and I think I need to adjust my mindset in this direction a bit more.

I can see that S may not realise that now the situation has changed, so has my perception, and it's up to me to do something about that. Rather than doing anything that may jeapardise my son's friendship, though, I'm planning to move the arrangement back towards a two-way benefit. As NewTwenty mentions, asking S to babysit for the occasional evening would be a good start and would make me feel less taken for granted. If the situation worsens, or with GCSE's looming further down the line, I'll then need to look at setting firmer boundaries if necessary, as you mention.

It's interesting what you say about how your own friendships have changed with time. I think that's something else I need to adjust to. We've been in the area for just over two years now and with family commitments, my job and sorting out our house (currently needing lots of work!), I haven't had much time to get out and meet people. I've still been relying on meeting other parents as a possible route to friendship, but your comments have made me realise I need to find other ways. Thanks again for the good advice. Smile

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BettyCatKitten · 17/05/2015 15:05

I don't think you are bu, she sounds like she's taking the piss!

Mrsdoyle1 · 17/05/2015 15:10

Thanks, rookiemere, yes, that's a good idea. It wouldn't do any harm to just make sure my son's happy with D coming round so regularly, rather than having a few different friends around every so often.

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Mrsdoyle1 · 17/05/2015 15:13

BettyCatKitten, thanks and you may well be right, but don't worry, armed with all this excellent advice, I'm definitely working on it... Wink

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BettyCatKitten · 17/05/2015 15:16

Go MrsDoyle Grin

Roussette · 17/05/2015 16:00

But MrsDoyle do you actually know for sure that your DS wants D round... I know you've just said this but sometimes some kids are pretty full on and overbearing and he could just be telling your son he's coming round to your house (whether he likes it or not). Or his Mum may say in the morning "by the way go round to DDoyle's house tonight and tomorrow, someone will pick you up about 7ish" or D might be telling his Mum "Just to let you know, I'm going round to W's house after school tonight, he's got that new game you forgot to buy me".
I do think you need to establish what your DS wants.

Fortunately or unfortunately, we used to have different ones round after school as I worked hours where I could. I didn't mind sometimes, but it was relentless and most days and it got on my tits after a while, as I just wanted a bit of peace and quiet. It was always our house! One girl was here most of the week and the one time my DD called round at hers one bank holiday because I told her to, for a change she was told she couldn't come in as the house was tidy! We were very much open house which I liked up to a point, until parents start taking the piss and assume.

Sounds like we lived in a similar set up geographically as you back then. I'm surprised there aren't school buses? Our huge secondary school had school buses going to all the areas, everyone was served. I only had to pick up if there were after school clubs.

I would forget the peevishness at the social life D's Mum has, my DCs were strapped to my hip as I had to pay for childcare too and there's always someone lucky like that. Just make sure D isn't monopolising your DS to the detriment of developing other friendships and get a night away by asking her to have your DS one night and sort the little one with someone.

I'm afraid that sometimes 'friendships' only exist for some Mums if it helps sort out childcare and now D's Mum has sorted that with you, she probably can drop the cuppa and a chat thing. I totally get your feelings on that - it's happened to me and it's just a bit galling when it dawns on you, it wasn't a friendship, it was a means to an end.

rookiemere · 17/05/2015 16:43

We had one like yours Roussette. Couple of years ago DS and his pals were into building dens using all the chairs and sheets and anything else they could find, great fun for them, but a tremendous pain to tidy up.

One day I suggested to his pal who was round all the time that they could do it at theirs, to which I got the response that he wasn't allowed to build dens at his house.

Twas annoying, but then what to do? DS still enjoyed building dens as did this boy, and at least when his pals were over once the den was built he had someone to play with, so I never said anything, and in the long run it's evened out as we've had childcare favours from the parents, we take the pal out sometimes and it feels very reciprocal now.

MrsDoyle - you're so lovely responding to everyone individually, I can totally see why it would hurt that not everyone is as nice and upfront as you are.

Roussette · 17/05/2015 17:06

Glad yours got sorted rookie. Mine never did and in fact it got worse and worse - we are part of a book club, the mother has probably been to my house socialising, drinks etc about 30 times, last and only time I had to call round hers about something I was left standing in the hall (her house was immaculate, I now know why!)

I will say MrsDoyle, this stage is very short even if it doesn't seem like it when you're in the middle of it. In no time, your DS will be staring GCSE work etc and maybe you really won't want him round then. The friendship will be well established by then (or not at all) and then the boys can get into proper arrangements on weekends or something and taking it in turns. (But it sounds like you weren't over keen on D anyway?)

hollyisalovelyname · 20/05/2015 18:09

Mrs Doyle did you do anything?

Mrsdoyle1 · 20/05/2015 19:42

Roussette, very nice to read your post and to hear of your own experiences. Like you say, an 'open house' policy is nice up to a point, but when other parents don't chip in it can get too much. (I can only imagine your thoughts when your DD was turned away from her friend's house because it was 'tidy'!)

In my own case, because of the transport problem, D always comes here under S's instructions, with an arrangement for him to be collected by someone or other at a certain time. He doesn't have the freedom to decide for himself, as it's all arranged by S or D's Dad.

Thanks for the good advice and I did check with my son whether he's happy with D coming round regularly. He is, but is also keen to have a couple of other friends round, so I've arranged for one to come over next week (half term for us). Problem is, fitting it all in around other activities! It's a good point about keeping up with his other friends, though, so I'll try to stay more aware of this and invite someone different over from time to time.

Sorry that you had a similar experience on the friendship front - disappointing when the true motives are uncovered, but as some here have said, the lack of contact with parents and the more 'practical' nature of any communication with parents does tend to change as children get older. I think I'm only just starting to realise that.

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Mrsdoyle1 · 20/05/2015 19:48

Thanks, rookiemere, that's lovely of you and glad that your initially more one-way arrangement has turned into something more reciprocal. I admire you for your patience in dealing with all the mess! Smile

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Mrsdoyle1 · 20/05/2015 19:52

Hello, hollyisalovelyname - thanks for asking and yes, I've asked S if she can have W for a day next week, as his club activity that I'd booked was cancelled. She's apparently helping out a relative with his business next week, but she says she'll try to sort out a plan to help. So, we'll see, but it's a start. We're also going to plan something for one evening and ask if she can come over to babysit. I'm getting braver!

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grannytomine · 20/05/2015 21:32

Mrsdoyle1, my house was always the place where my sons gathered. I have 3 and my house was frequently full of kids. They did go to other houses occasionally but my house was the default. Yes it can be annoying to be taken for granted but I liked that my sons had good friends, that I knew what was going on and sometimes there was less hassle with a crowd, you know they entertain each other.

My sons are long grown up, eldest is 40. I still see those boys, my sons are still friends with most of them. At a recent social event I was holding their babies and chatting to their preschoolers.

I honestly think I got the best of the deal and I hope it works out well for you.

grannytomine · 20/05/2015 21:36

I meant my sons friends gathered at my house, fairly obvious my sons would be there.

IFinishedTheBiscuits · 20/05/2015 21:59

I don't think you're unreasonable OP. And I don't think it's too late to do anything about it either. I don't particularly like confrontation so I'd just make myself less available to stop her taking me for granted.

Next time she asks a favour have something else you have to do. A dentists appointment for DS after school. Homework - as others have suggested.

That happening a few times might change the dynamics of your relationship a bit and make it more even.

Roussette · 21/05/2015 09:31

grannytomine I'm Grin at the thought of all your DS's friends round your house and your DSs not there Grin Grin. In my case I think this nearly happened when the DCs were younger in that random kids would ring our doorbell in the holidays and their faces would fall when I'd say my DCs weren't there and I do think one of them asked if they could come in anyway and wait a few hours.... Grin

I agree about not confronting, subtle pulling away a bit works far more effectively. I did this with the Mother who took advantage of me. No way was I going to jeopardise my DD's friendship with the girl concerned though. I think it was all about manners and being grateful when someone has your child in their home lots. Acknowledgement and thanks goes a long way.

hollyisalovelyname · 21/05/2015 19:42

Rousette ypu are right.
You mention manners and I don't know if you've read the whole thread - if you haven't read it then you may have missed Mrs. Doyle's mannerly replies to us posters. She may not be used to bad mannered,grabby ( of OP's time) ' take advantage of you' people.

Roussette · 22/05/2015 07:44

Exactly holly ... Mrs D has been the perfect poster, and I read the whole thread and can see that Smile
We need more of that on MN!

Mrsdoyle1 · 22/05/2015 18:34

grannytomine, it sounds like you focused on exactly the right priorities, and are now enjoying the results! That must be very rewarding, and I'll try to take a leaf out of your book. The replies on this thread have really helped me clarify things and I realise that my son's friendship is the priority, rather than being distracted by S's attitude. And even that may change, as I start to make things more two-way, again thanks to the wonderful advice here, which has helped to make me braver about asking!

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Mrsdoyle1 · 22/05/2015 18:41

IFinishedTheBiscuits, thanks for the good advice! As my son's enjoying D's company, I'll continue with the current arrangement for now, but am trying to make things a little more two-way by asking S to do the occasional favour for me - and I'm pleased to say that I've already made a start on that. Smile Admittedly, I find it hard to ask these kind of favours, but it's been very helpful reading the responses here and seeing that it's okay to do that, given that I'm also helping S out.

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Mrsdoyle1 · 22/05/2015 18:50

hollyisalovelyname and Roussette, thanks for the lovely comments, and I can only say that it's entirely mutual! Your advice has really helped, not to mention your kindness which has cheered me up no end. That goes for everyone else on this thread too, of course...

Enjoy the Bank Holiday! Smile

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Fatmomma99 · 22/05/2015 20:17

I think your manners have affected all of us, MrsD, with the exception of (I think) one post, this is the politest thread I've ever read!

I hope you'll come back to us after half term and let us know how it's shaping up. Whether S did help, whether having other friends is keeping D a little bit more at bay, etc.

Have a lovely half term, everyone (if we're all on the same holidays!) and hope we get some sunshine.

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