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Being used as a childcare prop to another parent's social life?

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Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 18:05

Hello, I'm sorry this is a long one but would be very grateful for some feedback/advice. I'm not sure if I'm just being a resentful, mean-spirited old biddy, or if I have genuine cause to feel used.

I'll need to use abbreviations throughout: W is my 13-year-old son, D is my son's friend and S is D's mother. Got that? Then I'll begin...with a few facts for starters:

S has a partner plus an army of childcare for D (an only child) from her ex-husband and his parents, various friends, etc. She goes away with just her partner every other weekend when D stays with her ex. We have two sons, one still at primary-school, and have never, ever had any childcare support to rely on, other than paid. So yes, I admit to being envious on that front in the current situation. However, that honestly wasn't an issue to begin with.

Now I'll try to explain the situation: D lives about 20 minutes away from the school, so our house is a convenient place closer to the school. D is dropped off here every morning to walk in with W and a few other of his friends. Initially, D started coming back here after school a few times a week, to spend time with W. W was initially invited to D's house in return (but has been there at the most 5 times in total since they became friends more than 2 years ago). At first I was just happy that W had a good friend and didn't mind. S repeatedly checked it was okay and I said it was fine because I had no idea then that she would start to abuse it. Also, she used to occasionally pop in for a quick chat and cup of tea when collecting D which was nice.

But, in recent months, I have very rarely seen her and she has started to organise her whole social life around the expectation that W can come back here, with a myraid of other people collecting him. On the few times she shows her face, she's always in too much of a rush to come in for a chat. D still only comes a couple of times a week. It's not for long and it's no great inconvenience in itself but it's the attitude behind it that I'm starting to resent. For example, when D's after school club was cancelled at the last minute, S called me to ask if he could come back here because she was at the Ideal Home show and didn't want to rush back in the traffic! Recently, she asked me to help in a minor way with arrangements for D when plans changed while she was away on a spa break with her partner (which she took great pleasure in telling me about). The change of plan didn't work and I ended up having to call her ex-mother-in-law to find out what was going on. She was pretty fed up that S was away while everyone else was running around to sort things out and to be honest, I felt exactly the same way. From the rare conversations we have, S always seems to be out lunching with a friend or at some other social event, so there's no good reason why she can't collect D on time. I always without fail have to be there after work to collect my younger son from his school. As S is currently not working, I feel she doesn't have an excuse for relying on us as a fallback for childcare so much, especially as she has so many other sources of help. Also, she hasn't invited W over for months.

AIBU to feel resentful and used? Having D is no great inconvenience and so am I just being churlish? if I say anything, I'd end up jeapordising my son's friendship which I don't want to do. On the other hand, I'd never dream of relying on someone else to prop up my social life in the way that S does, rather than just asking for help in an emergency. (I have only ever once asked another friend to collect my son from school after I lost my father and I couldn't face going to the school.) Does anyone have any advice on how to cope with the resentment?!

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Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 19:43

Hello, Scholes34, thanks for your wise reply, you're absolutely right, my son is the most important person here, and as you say, I probably should just relax about it more. I need to focus more on gratitude for the fact he has friends and less on the annoying attitude of D's mother, but I can't help feeling resentful at times, hence me sounding off Angry. I suppose it's just that I would never act in this way towards someone else, so I find it hard to take, especially when the favours all seem one way now. But, I shall try to think of the silver lining in the current cloud, thank you!

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Hissy · 15/05/2015 19:45

For example, when D's after school club was cancelled at the last minute, S called me to ask if he could come back here because she was at the Ideal Home show and didn't want to rush back in the traffic!

Erm, that sounds like an emergency, kinda, and she couldn't have foreseen that. YABU on this point

Recently, she asked me to help in a minor way with arrangements for D when plans changed while she was away on a spa break with her partner (which she took great pleasure in telling me about).

Erm, ditto, that sounds like she couldn't have foreseen that either. YABU on this point

The change of plan didn't work and I ended up having to call her ex-mother-in-law to find out what was going on. She was pretty fed up that S was away while everyone else was running around to sort things out and to be honest, I felt exactly the same way.

YOU CALLED HER EX-MIL???? Really? Bet she lost no time in bitching about that to all and sundry! YABVVVVVVU on this point

she has asked you countless times if it's ok, and you have said it is. Countless times.

If she is expecting you to have her son every single day, then yes, SIBVVU. But if it's a couple of times a week and he's no bother and your DS likes having him there, seriously what is the harm?

That said, I have no childcare options barring paid, and sometimes I ask friends to help, but super rarely as I work FT, so can't do after school etc. I will of course have their children over for sleepovers every time they need it, as I don't want to take the piss. And if I do for them, I feel it's fairer when I ask them.

If you feel put upon, then be a bit bullish, and arrange a sleepover or something for your DS to go to hers. Be quite open and obvious about it saying that you need to go and do such and such, have no childcare, but as you have her DS a lot/bit, you thought you would ask

Long post short, stop being a martyr if it doesn't suit you, or make it work better for you.

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 19:46

Hello, CupidStuntSurvivor, thanks for your post. Unfortunately, D does live somewhere fairly rural. There may be a bus, but it's probably not very frequent. As I'm so deep in now, telling D he has to get the bus home would no doubt wreck things for my son's friendship with him and I just wouldn't risk that.

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Penfold007 · 15/05/2015 19:47

OP so your younger son goes to an after-school club until you pick him up and your eldest walks home and let himself in. His mate walks home with him and often hangs out with him.

Sounds more like the two boys socialising. At 13 this is normal and why would you want to tell your son that his mate is no longer welcome.

If this woman asks you if you can offer childcare again at some point just say no if it doesn't suit you. At 13 he'd probably cringe with embarrassment at being baby sat.

Hissy · 15/05/2015 19:49

Who is doing the pick ups? If it's ransoms, then I think you have a right to say that you are feeling a bit used, and actually say to her that she's not engaging with you as a friend and only on the subject of you having DS. Tell her it might not be the case, bu that you are feeling a little like an unpaid childminder and that its one way. Tell her that you like DS having a friend, and he is no bother, but her attitude to you is what is spoiling this.

Purplepoodle · 15/05/2015 19:49

Don't see the problem in asking his mum if he's coming back to yours - what time he will be collected and by whom

Hissy · 15/05/2015 19:50

Randoms !

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 19:51

Hi, SolidGoldBrass, it's true that I envy S's freedom in not being chained to the school run and being able to have so many child free weekends away! In my defence, I certainly didn't start out feeling that way, but it's hard not to when someone calls you to ask you to help sort our her childcare arrangements while she's busy having a spa treatment! We haven't had a single night away without one or both of our sons in 13 years, so why wouldn't I feel a little envious in helping to facilitate for someone else what my husband and I can't have ourselves?! I'm only human after all...

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Stealthpolarbear · 15/05/2015 19:52

this woman isn't your friend but she doesn't have to be
f you don't mind your sons friend being there what is the problem

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 19:54

IAmAShitHotLawyer, it's because D lives a 20-minute drive away, and public transport is either non-existent or very limited where they live, as it's quite rural.

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Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 19:57

CupidStuntSurvivor, you're right in the sense that the boys enjoy being together and that's the good part of it, of course. But the main reason why is because S doesn't like cutting her day short to get to the school run on time and also because she doesn't pick him up that often, it's very often one of her other sources of child care support who collects him. If she really valued the time they spend together rather than her own convenience, she might invite my son round to her house a little more?

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Babelange · 15/05/2015 19:58

Interesting povs being shared here... OP presumably your DS is in Y9 and that next year he'll be staring his GCSE courses. I would think that next term ie. Sept would be a perfect time to say that you'd like to encourage good study habits and that the established routine ie. 'socialising' will have to be agreed in advance eg. my DSs leave early on a Friday so after school they game - the rest of the week they are expected to break the back of their homework. Would this be a satisfactory solution for you too?

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 20:06

Jengnr, I don't have to be around for them, but the issue isn't really about that. It's about someone who gave me the impression she was at least a bit of a friend, who also used to reciprocate the favours a bit, but now doesn't do either of those things and seems to expect to use my son's friendship with her son to prop up her busy social life without offering anything in return. Of course it's great for my son to have a friend visit here, but I never know when D's coming back, how long he's staying for and who's picking him up. So, it's all entirely down to S's convenience and that's what seems to drive all this. If she really valued the boys' friendship, she might offer to have my son in return occasionally at her house, something which she hasn't done since autumn last year.

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Theycallmemellowjello · 15/05/2015 20:12

Ultimately all you can do is tell her what you're happy with. If you're ok with her son coming over a couple of times a week, then let him come. If you're not, or you're only ok with it if your son can also go to hers sometimes then tell her that. If she asks for a favour you don't want to give, say no. Personally I think the other mum's social life is irrelevant. Just let her know what it is you want (can be done politely) and don't expect her to know without you telling her.

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 20:14

Quitelikely, thanks very much for your reply and for your understanding, your post really hits the nail on the head for me. I honestly don't think I'm jealous, but I do confess to envy at times in terms of how free S is in comparison to me and how much support she has, and the fact that I'm one of the many facilitating that for her. I also feel a bit sorry for D, as I have very much the feeling that S's social life with her partner comes first and D is seconary to that. Having said that, she's generally caring towards him, so I don't feel he's at too much of a disadvantage, and at least there are plenty of others who seem to be around for for him!

I will try to follow your wise advice though and be the bigger person in all this! Smile.

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Rivercam · 15/05/2015 20:21

You say you envy s at not being chained to the school run, but also say public transport to her house is limited. Therefore, she is chained to the school run, but is using your good nature to be free of this.

I think you need to wean her off you. Set some boundaries. Ie. Insist that s picks up d at a certain time, say No when she asks for extra 'babysitting'. You don't have to stop d coming around, but invite him on your terms, not hers.

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 20:31

Hissy, while I'm obviously very glad my son has friends and I want to encourage that, the problem is, as you mention, the change in the original situation, which now leaves me feeling as though S is taking the p*. This wasn't the case originally, as S worked a bit harder to reciprocate, whereas now she does absolutely nothing in return. I like your idea of being a bit bullish and asking for something in return, but I don't find it easy to ask favours and only do so in the direst emergency, as explained in my op. This does put me in danger of being a martyr, though, as you say, so perhaps I need to explore that one a bit more Confused.

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TandemFlux · 15/05/2015 20:40

I'm always helping my friends out but they always help me out too. I wouldn't mind if it was imbalanced though because they are close friends and I care deeply for them. You're not close friends however and she's taking advantage

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 20:42

Penfold007, you're right about the boys socialising and of course I don't want to prevent that, but as I've explained elsewhere and as Hissy points out, it's D's mother's attitude that is spoiling things. S doesn't ask me if it's okay for D to come each time, she just always assumes now that it's fine, so I don't have much option to say no anyway. If I said no, I'd be spoiling it for my son, so I wouldn't do that. But I don't think it's unreasonable to resent such a one-way arrangement designed entirely to suit someone else's - in this case S's - social life. For her, it's not about helping D's friendship so much as doing only what's convenient for her. That's the point, the reason why D comes here is because it suits D's arrangements. If it didn't, she wouldn't be putting herself out to give the boys time together. If that was her true priority, she'd invite my son back to her house which she hasn't done since last autumn. Socialising at 13 is of course normal and good, but it's also normal and good for my son to expect to go to D's house occasionally too.

I don't really think I should have to ask D's mum if he's coming back to ours or what time he will be collected and by whom. I think it would be reasonable if she texted me with those details, at least some of the time.

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Rivercam · 15/05/2015 20:46

Why don't you explain to your son the situation and explain that you have nothing against D, but feel that his mum is abusing the situation.

Carriemac · 15/05/2015 20:49

YANBU about this, but why have you never had a night away with your DH.? Just ask someone to ah pave your DSs overnight, no bifpg deal. Don't be a martyr

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 20:55

Hissy, thanks for your other post, your comments go to the heart of the problem. Sounds like excellent advice - all I need now is to have the courage to broach the subject with S in the way you suggest! Confused I'm just so worried about causing any problem with my sons' friendships. They both had a very hard time in our last place because everyone was very cliquey, including the children, so I certainly want to do all I can to support their current friendships. But, as you more than hint at, that doesn't mean I have to put up with a parent taking the p*. I think I'm just not a very casual, laid back person and I've probably not yet caught up with the teenage-style friendships which are clearly different, but I still believe in a certain degree of etiquette between parents whatever the situation. S started off as a sort of friend - both of us knew we were never going to be 'best buddies' as we're very different, but I enjoyed her company during the odd chats we used to have when she used to collect D herself and I thought that she did too. Now she never bothers to put her head round the door other than very occasionally and only ever for a minute or two, it brings a different dynamic to the situation. Thanks again for the advice, and I hope I can be brave enough to follow it!

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Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 20:57

Sorry, PurplePoodle, I put my reply to you in a previous post by accident. My comment was that I don't really think I should have to ask D's mum if he's coming back to ours or what time he will be collected and by whom. I think it would be reasonable if she texted me with those details, at least some of the time!

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juliascurr · 15/05/2015 20:57

ask her to reciprocate

Mrsdoyle1 · 15/05/2015 20:59

Stealthpolarbear, thanks for your reply, but,as I've tried to explain in my other posts, unfortunately, it isn't quite that simple. Confused

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