To worry I'm going to get seriously depressed as the night goes on

[Seeingthebeautyineveryminute]

I have a sicky feeling in the pit of my stomach that we are going to be lumbered with 5 more years of Tory rule. Please let it not be so.

Why should Chandalier STFU? I didn't realise those that voted conservative weren't allowed an opinion on MN.

I voted labour, not because I need any particular support but because I want to live in a country that invests in education, Nhs and the care of the vulnerable. I would happily pay more tax to live in a caring society.

There have been people on this thread with real stories about how the cuts have left them more vulnerable and destroyed lives. To have somebody rubbing their faces in it when they are so clearly worried is distasteful no matter what party the support. What happened to human decency?

Tories never had human decency. Fuck me, this is so depressing.

shewept

I appreciate it's challenging, but it's not ridiculous. It's not any more ridiculous than any new(ish) political idea. Things change. The only thing you can depend on is that things change.

30 years ago, the Tories were the second biggest party in Scotland, with ten times as many seats as the SNP. Now the SNP run the country. How did they do this? I want to understand, and I want to change things here, where I live.

I love the way that some people say that they are voting for their "family's benefit" It obviously makes them feel so much less selfish than just saying that they are voting for the party that will make them even better off than they currently are and sod those who currently live in poverty.

Depressing and frightening.

The people who are taking the hit are the ones who can't afford to. It's absurd.

Were there no people struggling with poverty under the previous Labour government ?

Of course there is always people struggling with poverty. But Cammy is directing all the cuts at the people already in poverty making it worse whilst making sure people like him are fine. sad.

Perhaps, but well, i wasnt one of them, and we vote for who's best for us personally, dont we.

(Few too many commas there)

But Cammy is directing all the cuts at the people already in poverty making it worse

Cameron is directing cuts at people who generally don't vote. That's an astute political move, isn't it? The SNP in Scotland show that there's no such thing as a safe seat, with Brown's former seat (22K majority or something) going SNP. Meanwhile in England, you'll need ear defenders to protect yourself from people with lots of energy to curse "Tory voters who don't care", but too lazy to actually vote themselves.

"we vote for who's best for us personally, dont we."

If we're civilized human beings, no, we don't.

Why should Chandalier STFU? I didn't realise those that voted conservative weren't allowed an opinion on MN.

It's not her voting choice that's obnoxious but the trivialising and trilling about 'Cammy' with smilies.. seems to regard it as political X-factor. That and the unabashed self-interest. She's never heard of One Nation Toryism.

i wouldn't say all the cuts, what about the tax relief for those on the lowest paid jobs? and regarding the benefits system if they can stimulate the economy to make jobs surely less people will be on benefits so the cuts perhaps won't be felt and could actually make them better off a smaller pot doesn't have to mean less, if even less people have to claim.

Heading towards a lack of civilisation, really; people only voting for their own self interest. No care for the vulnerable, the aged, the ones who can't look after themselves. Forgetting that at any time, the "i'm all right Jack"s could be crippled or out of work themselves.

Say goodbye to the NHS too - its death warrant has just been signed.

30 years ago, the Tories were the second biggest party in Scotland, with ten times as many seats as the SNP. Now the SNP run the country. How did they do this?

By having supporters who vote, rather than stupid people thinking that not voting makes them cool.

I do struggle to understand why people simultaneously argue that it doesn't matter which party wins the election and that voting doesn't matter, and that the current winners are going to be a disaster (hang on, I thought they were all the same?) and that people who voted Tory should be ashamed (hang on, I thought voting didn't make any difference?)

I am the canonical tribal Labour voter, so loyal I even voted for the crazy nonsense of the 1983 manifesto. Even now, older, more comfortable, less in need of the help of society, I vote Labour because it's the right thing to do. I even once drove 400 miles to do, arriving at the polling station at 9.45pm, in a crazy "work trip overrun, no postal vote" cock up. The SNP shows why voting doesn't matter. That when the dust has settled we'll find that turnout amongst the disadvantaged was less than 50% makes me sick.

"Tories never had human decency".

Actually, I think they did once. Or some of them did. The old school, noblesse oblige Tories felt they had a paternalistic responsibility for the poor.

That all got swept away by Thatcherism.

The naked bigotry of the left against anyone they consider morally impure is why they lose. England doesn't like that puritan shit.

One of the many sickening aspects of this is that it's a victory for Murdoch and Rothermere. The fact that Cameron once again in thrall to Murdoch is extremely worrying.

No-one who is dependent on the NHS for health care can possibly claim to be voting for their family's benefit.

One of the many sickening aspects of this is that it's a victory for Murdoch and Rothermere.

The newspapers have very little influence on younger voters, who don't read newspapers and get their news from a wider range of sources.

The newspapers still have a lot of influence on older voters, who do read newspapers and don't get their news from as wide a range of sources.

Shame that it's the older voters who actually vote, while the younger voters don't, isn't it? Newspapers would have nothing like the influence they do if people spent less time tweeting their political views and more time actually voting. As things stand, elections are decided by those that turn up, and it's the older newspaper readers that turn up.

Yeah shewept, Andrea's leaflets were funny - and actually Andrea herself - I suppose what surprises me is
A that she got in
b that conservative was only 1000 votes behind last time
C that ed balls got so much hostility - I know some people who have been delighted with him and he is more personable in the flesh
Sigh