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How can you possibly believe in a benevolent God

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partialderivative · 30/04/2015 23:01

Once more, acts of 'god' have left communities blown apart.

Does any one really feel these vilages deserved it?

God's a bit of a cunt at times.

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capsium · 04/05/2015 07:49

full I expect the fact that l have the audacity to live and breath and let my views be heard, on a thread which discusses this subject matter, is the height of bad manners, from your perspective....

fulltothebrim · 04/05/2015 07:54

capium= so you want your crap inflicted on all kids- and it's up to us to object?

Reminds me of a 5 year old wallking playing a game with eyes closed walking with flailing arms saying anyone who gets hit in the process is to blame...

You are a nasty piece of work capsium.

Hakluyt · 04/05/2015 07:55

It is the height of arrogance and bad manners in this context to say "I've got what I want. I like my position of privilege. If you're not prepared to use your child as a bargaining counter then tough- get over it"

It's extraordinary that you can't see this!

fulltothebrim · 04/05/2015 07:56

Lazarusbal- no it is not a belief, it is an intellectual stance. A default position. Atheism is not a faith.

Lazarusbal · 04/05/2015 07:59

fullothebrim athiesm is a huge belief. How can you not see that?

fulltothebrim · 04/05/2015 08:00

Atheism is a default position.

Lazarusbal · 04/05/2015 08:02

You BELIEVE that when you die you die. That's it. Don't know why we're arguing here. I respect your belief.

Lazarusbal · 04/05/2015 08:03

Atheism is in no way a default position.

capsium · 04/05/2015 08:05

No one's child is a bargaining counter, Hak. There is simply provision which you can choose for your child not to receive.

Now I view personal attacks and name calling more indicative of being rude but this is just my opinion. Etiquette differs across different social settings...

Hakluyt · 04/05/2015 08:05

" Don't know why we're arguing here. I respect your belief."

Respecting someone's position means accepting their explanation of what it is. Not telling thm they are wrong and it is actually something else!

Lazarusbal · 04/05/2015 08:05

Atheism is the total absence of faith. That's a big thing.

capsium · 04/05/2015 08:06

Atheism is a default position.

Except it is not.

Hakluyt · 04/05/2015 08:09

"No one's child is a bargaining counter, Hak. There is simply provision which you can choose for your child not to receive."

And which, if I do, my child will not take part fully in the life of the school.

And I have not called you names. I have said your position on this matter is arrogant and bad mannered. Which it is. It is arrogant and badmannered to cling on to privilege.

fulltothebrim · 04/05/2015 08:09

Not a big thing at all.

I take it that you don't believe in unicorns made of blackcurrant jelly.
Is that non- belief a big thing?

JassyRadlett · 04/05/2015 08:09

It does not equal a lack of endorsement and support for the status quo either. Strictly speaking, what a lack of activism indicates is unknown.

Indeed, but there is a decent evidence base on why a gap between attitude and activism exists in numerous circumstances. It's not unreasonable to apply that here.

Given polling and other data, it would be immensely foolish for either of us to assume the inactive all fall on one side or another.

Lazarus, care to share where you think Christians were being mocked?

Lazarusbal · 04/05/2015 08:11

Hakluyt - in all honesty the way that you KNOW there is no God and you as an atheist have such faith/belief - how would you like me to word it? I honestly respect that.

Hakluyt · 04/05/2015 08:14

"Hakluyt - in all honesty the way that you KNOW there is no God and you as an atheist have such faith/belief - how would you like me to word it? I honestly respect that."

But you are not respecting the atheist position. You have invented a "belief" and you are respecting that!

Hakluyt · 04/05/2015 08:15

I think "respect" is vastly overrated, by the way- i don't think ideas or beliefs or positions merit respect. But if you are going to respect somthing, it might as well be right!

JassyRadlett · 04/05/2015 08:16

Lazarus, let me help you out.

I do not believe in any gods.

That's it. That's all it is.

Theists believe in one and don't believe in the rest. I don't believe in any of them.

capsium · 04/05/2015 08:20

And which, if I do, my child will not take part fully in the life of the school.

Sorry, I have a limited understanding of what it is like for DC to completely and fully take part in the school community, since my own DC was not afforded this, due to SEN issues. Only was offered part time schooling at one point. Perhaps when I know more what my DC was missing I will be able to empathise more fully. All I know, for now, is that you would have hated to be me. Missing whole school assembly was the smallest of inclusion issues, speaking from experience.

JassyRadlett · 04/05/2015 08:20

I also don't think its tenable to 'respect' beliefs (or lack thereof) when we do not agree with them, and in many cases think they may actively damage individuals and society.

I think respecting that the individuals who hold them and having vaguely respectful discussions is a nice goal. I think respecting and supporting the right of people to hold any beliefs they choose, insofar as those beliefs are not imposed on others, is very important.

Lazarusbal · 04/05/2015 08:21

Neither of you are getting my point. The very fact that you have such unwavering belief in nothing.

capsium · 04/05/2015 08:22

I think "respect" is vastly overrated, by the way- i don't think ideas or beliefs or positions merit respect. But if you are going to respect somthing, it might as well be right!

Yes, because my own seems to merit disrespect...what does your own position merit?

Icimoi · 04/05/2015 08:23

Lazarus, you said "I'm quite comfortable assuming that the 18 pages of the thread will all be about how awful Christianity is.". Hakluyt told you you were mistaken, you then answered that you only had to go back two pages. How can you possibly assume from two pages that the whole thread is about the awfulness of Christianity? That's not even true about the last two pages.

There is a perception carefully fostered in the right wing media that Christians are some sort of persecuted minority, despite the fact that that goes against all the available evidence. Why don't you try reading the thread, it might make you feel better?

Lazarusbal · 04/05/2015 08:24

Jassy - aagh my point. You have a massive belief in nothing! That's strong.

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