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Cameron's finally grown a pair.

198 replies

likalixer · 30/04/2015 20:29

Think I'll vote Conservative.
Sorted! after days of indecision

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toldmywrath · 30/04/2015 21:27

But Lottie if you're tactically voting, you should vote conservative otherwise labour will coalesce with the SNP!

expatinscotland · 30/04/2015 21:28

'Supporting disabled people into work and whilst they work is a positive'

Yanking their benefits whilst not compelling employers to provide adjustments for disabled people to work (Remploy, anyone?) isn't supporting.

Hillingdon · 30/04/2015 21:29

So Ed has said he won't do a deal with the SNP ever.... Who will you do a deal with if God forbid he wins? It sounded like he would resign....

FirstWeTakeManhattan · 30/04/2015 21:30

Why can't David Cameron reference his experience of the NHS when his son was so ill?

People possibly feel that his experience of the NHS will be vastly different to their own.

Cameron has no real political passion, just his extremely hard-line, Here-For-The-Rich, Conservative ideology. He had a sense of political entitlement, but he cares not one jot for far too many people he is supposed to represent.

I don't trust him one single, tiny bit.

ShouldIworryornothelp · 30/04/2015 21:31

Providing agencies like access to work that empowers disabled people is a positive

Hillingdon · 30/04/2015 21:34

When my DS collapsed I was rushed through a and e and I am no one at all...

RonaldMcDonald · 30/04/2015 21:35

Cameron had absolutely no experience of what it was like to have a disabled child in the sense of the vast vast majority of people in the UK

He didn't have to concern himself about how they would manage on one wage whilst one parent cared for Ivan
Nor was he worried about respite and the complete lack of provision
A bedroom tax to find from their wage perhaps being used to store his equipment
The worry over finding the extra money needed to pay for extra pads etc not provided by the NHS
He could use any of his £££ to pay for specialist nursing care and equipment simply unavailable to most people

He never had to worry about changes to DLA or if he would be able to afford petrol for that car for his son.

I find it mawkish and inappropriate that Cameron campaigns on his experience of having a disabled son
He has made the lives of disabled people considerably more difficult and fearful. He made promises to listen to and change policies for families and carers of the disables and he has not
I think it is a disgrace every time he tries to align himself to those who do that very hard job every day

The80sweregreat · 30/04/2015 21:36

Ronald, well said.

CadieAgain · 30/04/2015 21:37

Both Sam and Dave were also privileged in that they could both afford to work and hire nurses for their son. No £62.10 p.w carers allowance for them. It's lower than JSA and in many cases is for life. He doesn't seem bothered by that either.

FirstWeTakeManhattan · 30/04/2015 21:37

Well said Ronald ^^

CadieAgain · 30/04/2015 21:38

Crossed with Ronald's excellent post Smile

Outofnappies · 30/04/2015 21:38

Well yes people do vote for the economy don't they? Because if you don't have any money in the coffers you can't make anyone's "environment" better - health, public services, schools. Without the funds to pay, any manifesto 'promise' is worthless. And when the money's gone you get a national recession and job losses and yes, personal poverty, and it's awful. And I don't wish that on anyone.

RonaldMcDonald · 30/04/2015 21:39

Anyone that thinks that organising ATOS testing for the direct purpose of reducing the numbers of disabled people receiving benefit was the same thing as helping support disabled people into work has utterly no idea

FluffyMcnuffy · 30/04/2015 21:40

YY to Outofnappies

The80sweregreat · 30/04/2015 21:40

I wish DC had left his poor son out of this debate altogether. Its not fair. He is so out of touch it is scary.

Hillingdon · 30/04/2015 21:42

So, if you are well off its easier for you and not so bad to have a disabled child. That's a pretty horrible thing to say

grovel · 30/04/2015 21:42

My man, Ed, was awful.

A bit of honesty.

TheFairyCaravan · 30/04/2015 21:44

Being disabled doesn't mean you can't work. Supporting disabled people into work and whilst they work is a positive

I'm disabled, my consultants and GP have all decided I can't work so no amount of support from the govt, job centre, understanding employer, Her Majesty the Queen or anyone else is going to get me a job. I absolutely hate David Cameron and his Tory party policies. I didn't cause the recession, I didn't cause the banks to collapse but apparently because I claim DLA I can be hounded and maybe one of those forced to bare the brunt of paying it back, while his millionaire buddies and family members get a £43000 a year tax cut.

He came across really badly, imo, tonight. The man in the audience hit the nail on the head when he questioned his morals. He has precisely none. We don't need to be making these cuts otherwise the tax cuts would not be so free flowing. He will be cutting the child benefit and tax credits. He will make life as hard as he possibly can for those of us at the lower end of the pay scale, those earning loads will be as happy as a pig in shit.

The economy is not turning around, Tesco is still having a hard time, as is Ford and other large companies. HSBC are considering leaving the country because of the instability of us potentially leaving the EU.

I'm looking forward to using my vote next Thursday and am hoping and praying he is needing removal vans on Friday morning.

BigBirthdayGloom · 30/04/2015 21:44

It's exactly the "I'm one of you" ness of the statements I dislike. It's not that I question that he'd have waited even, a disabled child who is severely ill would always be a priority. It's that somehow he is trying to relate when on so many levels, in his experience with his son and other areas he has not even a tiny idea of what it's like. He totally, completely understands the grief, emotions, despair of his child being so disabled and dying. I wouldn't doubt that for a second. But that's not what I elect a prime minister for. I want someone with a level of empathy for the people he represents and an understanding of the giants whose shoulders he and others like him stand on to succeed. Only then would I trust someone to make impossible choices about how to run our welfare system and economy with the right level of support and challenge to those who aren't in his position.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 30/04/2015 21:45

"He has made the lives of disabled people considerably more difficult and fearful."

Yes. please think carefully if going to vote Tory and don't just do it because you thought Cameron was assertive in a debate. They cause harm to a lot of people. Including my child.

TheCatsMother99 · 30/04/2015 21:45

Good! Hope conservatives get the chance to finish off cleaning up the mess that labour made when they were in power.

Miltonmaid · 30/04/2015 21:47

His rhetoric on the NHS and the disabled doesn't match what his government t has done. He uses his experience to shut down any debate of his policies on this area.

Outofnappies · 30/04/2015 21:47

Ronald, he doesn't campaign exclusively about his son. He has an experience and he shares it. It's not the only thing he talks about. They lost a child, it's heartbreaking. Do you think he's lying??

Hillingdon · 30/04/2015 21:47

It was nice not to see Question Time full of left wing people. Much more balanced. Ed didn't do well and we know how Labour managed the economy last time.

He will bankrupt us and the thing is like Boris Johnson said. Ed believes socialism just hasn't been trled properly....

Stickledpink · 30/04/2015 21:48

Please stop bringing Ivan into this......

It's stooping so low. Regardless of you opinion of DC and his policies, he had a disabled Son who sadly died at the tender age of six years old.

Utterly heartbreaking.

Regardless of whether he was an MP or a cleaner.... He suffered the unimaginable loss of a child and the incomprehendible and overwhelming grief that comes with that so FFS please leave that one out of it.

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