To be ashamed dh is voting conservative

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I'm very left wing dh is centre right Aibu to not want friends or family finding this out.

bubble I hate to break this to you but I know immigrants and children of immigrants who vote Conservative and are very much into free markets.

Merse - I completely agree with you about the childish way some people express their political views:

"I'm leaving the country if things aren't run my way and I don't get all the money, boo hoo."

Like little children stamping their feet.

I can take the abuse from the sidelines, it doesn't bother me at all.

Bakewell - I know there are many immigrants who vote Conservative. I don't think you understood my point completely, but there you go.

" This absurd, polarised view of Tories as 'nasty and heartless' and Labour as 'caring and fair' is just facile. "

'Facile' is a nice way of putting it. I would suggest 'idiotic' fits better!

Idiotic does the job too!

As if the world could be seen in terms of 'goodies and baddies'. Would that it were that simple. Sadly, more brain engagement is required to make sense of things and really engage on a political level.

Bubble "I'm leaving the country if things aren't run my way and I don't get all the money, boo hoo."

Like little children stamping their feet.

I'm afraid you're not helping your point. Who has said that?

It is certainly true that when job seekers look at the opportunities out there and see that they can earn £150k at top rate tax here in the UK or earn the same tax free in the Middle East the temptation for some will be massive because keeping that other half of the money you earn makes a big difference for your family. There are clearly many reasons why some wouldn't ever leave (although they might decide not to work but that's a slightly different issue) but we do need to make sure that we spread the burden fairly. On average, top and higher rate tax payers already contribute a massive amount more than they take back out of the system. Where is the "fairness" in that? The balance has to be right and if you take it over 50 percent there are many who would see the balance as having been tipped. Its not about greed, its about balance and everyone feeling that the system is proportionate.

But from your posts it does unfortunately seem that you only believe those on lower incomes deserve any "fairness".

I am many things but I'm not an idiot thank you. I choose to vote Labour because it is the mainstream party that aligns with how I see society and how I want it to be in the future.

Trouble is, there are a lot of posters on here that seemingly haven't got a bloody clue about politics at a very basic level. They are just parroting crap.

fence I don't think anyone said voting labour is idiotic, they said holding and repeating the mantra that labour are the kind caring goodies and conservatives are all evil bloodsucking baddies is idiotic.

Which I'm afraid it is.

I did assume that you thought those who became immigrants might "grow as people" and somehow outgrow their Tory voting tendencies.

I don't know why I bothered thinking about your posts at all. I'll stop now!

This fence What crap such as: The vulnerable have been really suffering for the last 5 years, more than ever before. (from Bubble) That is just patently not true. It just isn't.

There was a really good article in a newspaper recently about why Socialists feel that they have the moral highground. Wish I could find it.

I was accused upthread of not opening my mind to the views of the Tories. Well, I have now. I'm pretty sure I haven't learnt anything new. I certainly don't feel any more warmth towards the Tories than I did before. So, I think I'll close my mind again and stick with the nice people. Thanks to all of you for convincing me I'm right.

I think you would find that any party that has any serious prospect of getting into govement will HAVE to have unpopular policies. Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made for the best interests of society. Austerity will lead to better provision in the longer term when the ecomony recovers and we can pay for it.

' stick with the nice people ' =

sorry but have you got any idea what Tony B.liar did to this country with his warmongering and lying ?
Not to mention that when he was voted in he promised to bring 'more criminals to justice' and promptly did that by bringing in a raft of new laws criminalising vast swathes of the population!
You now have a life of surveillance and control, thanks to TB! And you are still bleating about 'the nice people'. even your choice of adjective makes you sound stupid.

I am a Labour voter.

It doesn't make me nicey nice; as you can see!

Oh Bakewell Wish I hadn't read your user name.

I really, really want one now.

So, I think I'll close my mind again.... you said it bubble. But really, you aren't giving a great example of someone on the left. Close minded and bigoted.

It's a little commented-on fact that despite the accusations of generally being a grasping shit who wants to cut taxes for his Eton chums, Osborne has in fact wrung more out of the electorate - and more, as a proportion, out of the wealthy - than any Chancellor before him.

ooh I would love a bakewell tart right now

ExitPursued You might be interested in Jonathan Haidt's work - he has some very perceptive things to say from the world of moral psychology about why left and right leaning people struggle to understand each other.

I should change my name to Vote Labour and see if that sways anyone!

Thanks OTheHugeManatee Will check it out.

Maybe if our Labour candidate popped round with a Bakewell Slice I'd be tempted.

That would be illegal Exit! (sadly)

There's a lot of crap being spouted on both sides actually Malice

I don't know why people can't get the concept that of course, people feel that their choice (be it left or right) is the best, most moral, fairer choice or they wouldn't be voting that way.

Who on earth votes because they think it is the worst option, one devoid of sense or value?