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to worry that leaving him is giving up on ever having a family?

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cantfindnicknotinuse · 29/04/2015 00:39

Today I was in the car with my fiancé. He was driving and I was trying to read a map and give directions, in an area we are both a bit familiar with but has a confusing one way system.

There was a turning we had to take and I knew it was on a corner with a particular landmark pub on. What I didn't know is the actual entrance to the car park for the pub is round the back on a different turn off (I've never been to the pub, just seen it from the road). So I said, 'turn off at the junction with the pub', and he thought I meant the other one, and we went straight past where I thought we were turning whilst I was looking down at the map. Then I asked why we didn't turn where I thought, he said it was my fault and I said to go that way, and he started yelling at me about where he should go now, and I was trying to work it out from the map and panicking and we had to do this huge loop on the one way system and got the right turning.

And for a moment there was silence and I thought it would be ok. Then he started ranting and shouting at me about how I was terrible at communication, and why would I say turn off at the pub if I meant where the building was and not where you'd go in the car to go to the pub. And at that point I put the map down and said I couldn't map read anymore.

He pulled over, looked at the map, drove us to where we were going, and has basically been angry at me since. I tried to keep out of his way for a few hours, then tried to talk to him, saying I didn't think I deserved to be yelled at for a misunderstanding giving directions. He said he was sick of me blaming him when things went wrong (which I hadn't??) and he wasn't going to take it anymore.

This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened. Pretty much every week now, for months, something minor will happen and he will become frothingly mad at me, and then will stay angry at me for days, often telling me he's dumping me because he has had enough. At some point I crack and apologise to him because I feel so sad about being alone and him being so distant. He say's it stress, from his work etc, but its only getting worse. He refuses to see his anger is a problem, saying its just his personality, and I have to accept it to be with him. Sometimes he gets sad and says he's a terrible boyfriend to me, but nothing ever seems to change.

I think I already know what everyone replying to this will say. Dump him. Walk out. Stop letting him treat you like this. For god's sake don't marry him and have children with him. In fact many of you did say it, when I last posted on here about a tantrum he threw.

But, I'm 36. I have no family. I have no children. I've spent several happy years tentatively thinking that he may be the one before this cycle of misery started. The last man I dated before was lovely and sweet and, it turns out a commitmentphobe, who was always '3 years away' from marrying me and starting our family, things he would talk about in glowing terms, as if he regretted the circumstances weren't right to start already. After more than ten years I realised he would always keep manufacturing new circumstances to not be right. Before that there were a few boyfriends who just weren't that interested in me (cheating etc), or I was too young to realise we had nothing in common.

I always wanted a big family. To have children. It tears my heart out to think I have to walk away, and be alone again. To start dating again with desperation written all over me, my age and my chances of having the family I want slipping ever further away. I want to wail about how unfair it is, that I've always tried so hard to be a good and decent person, a loving partner, and that millions of people fall in love and have children everyday, and why wont it ever work out for me?

If it was just about leaving him, despite the heartbreak, I know I'd get over it. But if I leave him, and don't manage to have a family with anyone else, I feel I will always blame myself for not trying harder to make it work. That feeling is utterly crushing.

OP posts:
mineallmine · 29/04/2015 11:19

Great advice given here, OP, and I hope you find the strength to take it. My sister was 36 when she took the brave and heartbreaking decision to cancel her wedding. She's was utterly broken after but it was absolutely the bravest and best decision she ever made. She would have had a lifetime of misery with the man she was going to marry. She met another man when she was 38 on a blind date, married him when she was 40 and has a beautiful dd born when she was 42 With the help of IVF. She and her dh are like two peas in a pod, best of friends. And their dd is the icing on the cake.

A friend of mine was tired of waiting to meet someone and had her ds through sperm doner and at 48 had her dd through embryo donation. As my wise mother would say, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

You've had some lovely responses on this thread. People really empathise with how you're thinking. But as I think it was cordelia said, you'll never be younger than you are now. Be brave and go into the next phase of your life.

spudholes · 29/04/2015 11:40

Don't wait on a man, most of them are shit and just string you along.

If you want to be a mum you need to prioritise. If being a mum is this important to you, either adopt/foster or find a sperm donor. Do not wait or depend on a man to give you the children you want.

expatinscotland · 29/04/2015 11:44

'Don't wait on a man, most of them are shit and just string you along.'

This. Too much focus on meeting a man and not on you and what you want and need, to have children. I'd focus on finding a co-parent rather than the dating scene and ignore stories of people who found a perfect partner when they were 40. They aren't you. This is you. Go for having a child!

dependentspouse · 29/04/2015 11:47

Would you consider having your AMH checked (for fertility / ovarian reserve) so you can make a more informed decision about having children?

I did this as having a DC2 had significant implications for my career and it really helped me.

dependentspouse · 29/04/2015 11:48

Just to clarify I'm not suggesting that you stay with this partner (he sounds like an arse as PPs have pointed out) but would allow you to consider sperm donation etc (as other PPs have suggested)

MonstrousRatbag · 29/04/2015 11:51

It's easy for me to say, but honestly OP there are worse things than the situation you are facing now. Like being in an awful marriage where you are desperately lonely. Like seeing this man abuse your children as well as you. Or refusing to have children with you anyway, just because. Like seeing him leave and try to get full residence so the kids live with him and OW.

I'm not suggesting your fiance would do any of these things-I don't know him. But really, don't stay in a relationship you admit does not work for you, in quite serious ways, because you've persuaded yourself that it is your only real chance for children. There are options for you in relation to kids, as others have posted.

DoraGora · 29/04/2015 11:54

You can join relationship organisations, online and off, where you make it clear that you're interested in starting a family.

3luckystars · 29/04/2015 12:33

I would recommend this book to you, I recently bought it for my sister.

www.amazon.com/The-Emotionally-Abusive-Relationship-Abusing/dp/0471454036

Read that and best of luck.

Lymmmummy · 29/04/2015 12:45

I think this is a situation many women find themselves in - not necessarily the bullying element but the sense of not being quite were they thought they would be in their mid-thirties and feeling they should stick with a less than ideal relationship to enable them to have kids - I have seen many very attractive intelligent women in this type of scenario and there really seems no rhyme or reason as to why some are "lucky" and meet good partners at an ideal time and have kids at the supposedly perfect time and why others don't etc

I personally don't think you should stay with your partner - he doesn't sound like he has the makings of a good father - and you do not state that he has agreed to having children with you - so who is to say he is not another dead end - although getting pregnant at a later age is not easy for everyone so let's be honest about that - it certainly is possible for many - if having kids is central to your life goals ditch him try and freeze eggs and think could you go it alone with a sperm donor and /or are there perhaps dating sites for those at the stage of life were they are ready to settle down etc

hennybeans · 29/04/2015 12:53

Ditch your fiance for all the reasons other posters have given. Take 1 year/ 18 months to get over him and give yourself a chance to meet someone else. If no one comes along, start your own family through sperm donation/ adoption/ whatever you prefer and then it will take all the pressure off finding the right one. There won't be such time pressure to find him and have a baby, you won't have that desperation you mentioned in your op.

Someone will come along when you are busy living your own life and you'll be an attractive partner because you will be independent and you won't have that twat ex-H looming over your head, taking your DC every other weekend and butting in to your life and business. You'll have just the right spot for a man to come along and slot into your family. Then you can have more DC if you want.

Gottagetmoving · 29/04/2015 12:54

He has an anger problem.
You should not apologise when you have done nothing wrong, whether you feel sorry for him or want to keep the peace.
It would be mad to stay with someone for the reason of having a family, unless he admits he has a problem and actually does something about it.
Also, its not fair on him, tbh, to have someone marry him because they don't want to be alone or to have a family.
My DP went ballistic once because I gave him an instruction to turn right too late. He also overreacts to other things. He has changed over time because I don't accept it. I don't get angry back but I do let him know I won't be treated like that.

jay55 · 29/04/2015 12:58

What sort of family life will you have, you and your children always on eggshells, always waiting the next outburst.

Latara · 29/04/2015 13:02

I think you know you should ditch him, but I totally understand how you feel as I'm 38 and every time I hear about another (usually much younger) woman getting pregnant it's like a knife in my heart.

Deciding to become a single parent is not as easy as people think for many reasons (in my case financial and because I have MH illness).

And meeting a decent man is not easy at ANY age. I remember in my 20s it was easier to meet men, but just as hard to find a decent one - the nicer men were usually 'taken' even then!

But my advice would be to think of your own happiness first - if you have children with this man you will be tied to him forever, even if you split up later on.
As a Care Assistant I see too many middle aged & elderly couples who are desperately unhappy, bickering and picking at each other continually, to ever want that for myself or anyone else.
Better to be with the man whose hand you still want to hold at 90!! (Or 40, or whatever.)

fackinell · 29/04/2015 13:16

If you'd be happy for him to blow up
In the way he does to you to you child then go ahead. If you want to forever walk on eggshells and feel
on edge, sure. I suspect you don't though. Leave, you still have time but the longer you wait the less time you will have.

Summerisle1 · 29/04/2015 13:20

Get rid, OP. You don't need to be in a relationship to have a child and you certainly don't want to be in an abusive and unhappy relationship when you do have children.

MadgeMak · 29/04/2015 13:21

If you think he's bad now, then it will be a whole lot worse if you do have kids together. Do you really want to subject them to him?

SuperFlyHigh · 29/04/2015 13:26

I'm now 43 - at 30 I was in an abusive relationship and after that found it hard to meet the right man, met 2 commitment phobes within the past 5 years!

I've finally met a nice man recently and I may be jumping the gun but there are no red flags. At all. He seems to be on the same page as me and we even discussed in passing the other day, kids. I'm prepared to do a bit of IVF but also maybe adopt from abroad. My gene pool is good but I've got a good friend who adopted 2 girls from S Korea and that'd be good enough for me to do similar.

ScrambledSmegs · 29/04/2015 13:26

You do have options aside from this man, who is really unpleasant to you. You don't deserve it. No one does.

Someone I know had a child using a donor. They are a perfect little unit, blissfully happy. Yes, it was hard in the early days, but she has a good network of friends who are happy to help. And having a partner is no guarantee that parenting will be any easier - in fact I know several people whose relationships make parenting significantly harder than it should be.

Please take heart.

SuperFlyHigh · 29/04/2015 13:30

sorry pressed post too soon - what I'm trying to say and I knew this when I was 21 and engaged to a Canadian (alcohol problems) well I've also had a background of divorce in my family (mum and her mum's sides) but also string women who don't put up with much rubbish from bad men!

In this scenario it'll only get worse, I've looked at divorce files as I work for a family lawyer and the stress you put yourself under and your partner isn't worth it. You could quite easily meet someone nice before time runs out. Also maybe look at therapy if you need it in case there's a pattern for being with or attracted to unsuitable men. I didn't do that but I looked out for red flags and was far more assertive about what I wanted!

Good luck!

Elllimam · 29/04/2015 13:32

Agree with expat and spudholes.

flora717 · 29/04/2015 13:46

I would say leave. My ex was very ranty (especially over what he perceived to be poor communication too). He often did this angry thing about directions in a car etc too. Once when I was pregnant he actually stopped the car, insisted I got out so he could cool off and drove off! (Over 100 miles from home, didn't ask if I had a wallet or phone on me). Unfortunately the grumpy/ angry does het worse as you take on more stress / responsibility. He doesn't sound as though he can cope with the stress of his own life really. Sorry OP.

cantfindnicknotinuse · 29/04/2015 18:47

I want to say thank you to everyone who took the time to reply to my rather self indulgent post Blush. I pretty much cried myself to sleep after writing it, but I'm feeling stronger today. So many good responses, I'm genuinely touched, and wish I could answer them all.

do your future children deserve to have a father like this? no, you are right they do not. I don't know if he would shout at them, but I don't want them to have to hear him yelling at me either.

Does he know how you feel about family etc? Does he feel the same? He does, and he said he does. We had decided we were going to start trying after the we got married in the late summer (this year). It feels like I'm so close to having what I want.... but its an illusion. I won't have that happy family life I dream of with him.

Why do lovely women like you get mixed up with shits like this? I did online dating before I met him. Kissed dozens of frogs and he was the best of the bunch, he really seemed great for the first few years...

I had a low self-esteem. Yes. I recognise that in myself. The terrible fear that many no one else will ever want me, that this is the best that I can expect.

Too much focus on meeting a man and not on you and what you want and need, to have children. / I would seriously consider sperm donation if I were you I did consider it before I met him. I guess I feel I worried my children would be deprived in not having both parents. I came from a loving family home, with parents who clearly loved each other to bits all their lives. (Obviously, its better not to have a father in your life than to have a bad one). It's something I need to do some thinking about.

there really seems no rhyme or reason as to why some are "lucky" and meet good partners at an ideal time and have kids at the supposedly perfect time and why others don't etc I agree with this. I think it's really hard for me not to blame myself, or feel if I had made different decisions then I would now be one of the 'lucky' ones. But life isn't as simple as that. I've always done the best I could at the time, and I have to let it be at that really.

I do sympathise with you, but I'm not sure really what you want. I'm not sure what I wanted either. Seventy strangers to tell me to do what I already knew I should, so I didn't lose the courage to do it in the cold light of day?

Thank you all. I'm going to leave him. He is still giving me the 'angry silence' treatment, and there is a small childish part of me that is curious as to how long he can keep it up for (I've always made the first move to make up every other time we have rowed - I'm not sure he knows how to say sorry first). Oddly, despite this, I feel certain that he's going to react with surprise when he realises I'm actually leaving (I'm not going to make it clear to him I am until I have a place to go - and I'm working on sorting that out right now).

OP posts:
patienceisvirtuous · 29/04/2015 19:14

Rooting for you OP.

DocHollywood · 29/04/2015 19:16

Well done. Stay strong

seventeen · 29/04/2015 19:24

Well done op. In your position I would go ahead and have a child on my own.

A few years ago I was you - I ignored all the warning signs because I thought it was my last chance of having kids. Got pg within months.

I now have a wonderful son, but I have to share parenting with a useless, selfish, angry dickhead who is like a ticking timebomb in the middle of our happiness. He can go off at any time and about anything.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy and me and my son have a lovely life. But having done it on my own would be a damn sight easier that having a prick of an ex husband in the mix (and don't get me started on the divorce - that was a long and expensive nightmare)