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to worry that leaving him is giving up on ever having a family?

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cantfindnicknotinuse · 29/04/2015 00:39

Today I was in the car with my fiancé. He was driving and I was trying to read a map and give directions, in an area we are both a bit familiar with but has a confusing one way system.

There was a turning we had to take and I knew it was on a corner with a particular landmark pub on. What I didn't know is the actual entrance to the car park for the pub is round the back on a different turn off (I've never been to the pub, just seen it from the road). So I said, 'turn off at the junction with the pub', and he thought I meant the other one, and we went straight past where I thought we were turning whilst I was looking down at the map. Then I asked why we didn't turn where I thought, he said it was my fault and I said to go that way, and he started yelling at me about where he should go now, and I was trying to work it out from the map and panicking and we had to do this huge loop on the one way system and got the right turning.

And for a moment there was silence and I thought it would be ok. Then he started ranting and shouting at me about how I was terrible at communication, and why would I say turn off at the pub if I meant where the building was and not where you'd go in the car to go to the pub. And at that point I put the map down and said I couldn't map read anymore.

He pulled over, looked at the map, drove us to where we were going, and has basically been angry at me since. I tried to keep out of his way for a few hours, then tried to talk to him, saying I didn't think I deserved to be yelled at for a misunderstanding giving directions. He said he was sick of me blaming him when things went wrong (which I hadn't??) and he wasn't going to take it anymore.

This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened. Pretty much every week now, for months, something minor will happen and he will become frothingly mad at me, and then will stay angry at me for days, often telling me he's dumping me because he has had enough. At some point I crack and apologise to him because I feel so sad about being alone and him being so distant. He say's it stress, from his work etc, but its only getting worse. He refuses to see his anger is a problem, saying its just his personality, and I have to accept it to be with him. Sometimes he gets sad and says he's a terrible boyfriend to me, but nothing ever seems to change.

I think I already know what everyone replying to this will say. Dump him. Walk out. Stop letting him treat you like this. For god's sake don't marry him and have children with him. In fact many of you did say it, when I last posted on here about a tantrum he threw.

But, I'm 36. I have no family. I have no children. I've spent several happy years tentatively thinking that he may be the one before this cycle of misery started. The last man I dated before was lovely and sweet and, it turns out a commitmentphobe, who was always '3 years away' from marrying me and starting our family, things he would talk about in glowing terms, as if he regretted the circumstances weren't right to start already. After more than ten years I realised he would always keep manufacturing new circumstances to not be right. Before that there were a few boyfriends who just weren't that interested in me (cheating etc), or I was too young to realise we had nothing in common.

I always wanted a big family. To have children. It tears my heart out to think I have to walk away, and be alone again. To start dating again with desperation written all over me, my age and my chances of having the family I want slipping ever further away. I want to wail about how unfair it is, that I've always tried so hard to be a good and decent person, a loving partner, and that millions of people fall in love and have children everyday, and why wont it ever work out for me?

If it was just about leaving him, despite the heartbreak, I know I'd get over it. But if I leave him, and don't manage to have a family with anyone else, I feel I will always blame myself for not trying harder to make it work. That feeling is utterly crushing.

OP posts:
Littlefluffyclouds81 · 29/04/2015 00:54

Hmm, he sounds like reet arse tbh. Imagine his moods with the added pressures of pregnancy hormones and sleep deprivation. It's not a great starting point to have a baby.

If a child is something you desperately want, I'd say you were better off going it alone (sperm donation) than bringing one into an unhappy relationship. It honestly won't end well, he's not going to magically stop being an arse once your're up the duff. And if he's talking about dumping you every 5 mins it sounds like he's not really looking towards his future with you being a part of it either.

Perhaps some counselling would be a good idea? It would be a good way of venting your problems and either resolving them or ending the relationship in a controlled way.

however · 29/04/2015 00:54

I understand. I really do. I might even feel the same way, in your shoes. If I did, I'd hope my friends would shake me, and tell me I'm worth more, and that me and my children would end up miserable and emotionally damaged by this man.

There is still time. There will be less time if you dither around with this prick. You shouldn't have to try this hard to make things work. They'll never work with him.

ImpishElf · 29/04/2015 00:57

Don't see him as what you would be willing to put up with to have children, but instead think do your future children deserve to have a father like this? One that will pretty much be guaranteed to emotionally abuse them? I have seen first hand that these warning signs you are feeling should NEVER be ignored. Your future children deserve better, you deserve better. This is not a minor issue. I hope you find someone worthy as partner and father material soon, they are out there Flowers

ImpishElf · 29/04/2015 01:01

Also yes more and more I am thinking that so many ppl end up single parenting anyway (even if with the man child being in the pic) would it be so bad to go for it initially, avoiding all the pain of separation and custody battles...

redautumnleaves · 29/04/2015 01:05

Don't spread this man's genes by having his kids. He'd bring your more pain as the father of your children. Move on quickly and don't waste anymore time on him.

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 29/04/2015 01:05

Exactly. At least going it alone from the start you can take control of the situation yourself. If you had a child with your dp, it WOULD end horribly at some point, the child would be damaged from that, and he sounds like the sort of man who would make the next x years of the child's childhood making your life a living hell through being generally unreasonable.

Jayzee40 · 29/04/2015 02:42

OP, i cannot tell you how much I sympathise with your beautifully written post and your predicament.

However, I really do think that just because you are 36, it does not mean you will not meet another man, the right Man, if you leave your fiancée. There is no way anyone can tell you that you will or you won't. It will come down to how much effort you make to meet new people, how resilient you can be (no time for moping) and luck.

For my part, I definitely think that you have time to find the right man. Definitely.

WorkingBling · 29/04/2015 03:24

Oh you poor thing. But I agree with other posters - you are better off having children alone than in a situation like this.

Does he know how you feel about family etc? Does he feel the same? You could try telling him that his behaviour makes you wuestion all of that and that he needs to deal with his anger issues. But it doesn't seem like he is willing to accept any responsibility.
Navigation in the car seems to be a trigger for many couples! Smile but usually it doesn't invilve days of anger and sulking.

TowerRavenSeven · 29/04/2015 04:02

Oh dear. You are engaged to be married, this should be a wonderful time. If this is bad, when you get married it's only going to be Worse. He's not going to change. I'd cut your losses and move on.

There is still time to find someone and you can foster, adopt or get a donor. You will not miss out on a family! If you decide to adopt or foster you won't even have the added pressure of 'having' to find someone soon. You might find your dream man, someone who actually deserves you, at 40! If you started with in vitro soon you might have a child by then.

Don't waste any more time in this guy. He doesn't deserve you.

Saltedcaramel2014 · 29/04/2015 04:08

You staying, apologising, making yourself smaller to please him - none if it will make this relationship good enough to bring children into. I know it's hard but try not to think too much about your age (apart from as a prompt to not waste anymore time). You may well meet someone lovely (why shouldn't you?) and all of my nct group apart from me were over 40... The only thing that's holding you back from meeting the right partner is being with the wrong one

Elllimam · 29/04/2015 04:23

He does not sound like a nice man. You could end up staying with him in the hopes of having kids and him delaying things until too late anyway. Have you talked about a timeline for ttc? If you decided to go it alone you could be ttc as soon as you wanted.

GloGirl · 29/04/2015 04:49

I get you are scared, but isn't it obvious? Every day with him is wasted.

You're just throwing good days away with all the bad ones because you know and yet you remain.

toomuchtooold · 29/04/2015 05:34

I agree with the PP who said that even if you stay and make yourself smaller to placate him, it still won't work. If he's like this before kids he'll be unbearable afterwards. You would be better off going it alone IMO.(Or do you have any friends who might be interested in some sort of joint parenting arrangement? Any gay male friends looking to start a family for example?) I think you're right to say 36 is not much time if children are a big priority for you - plenty of people have kids in their early 40s but it's not guaranteed at any age and the sooner you start the better. Of course if you have children it may make it harder to meet someone - the harsh truth is that you may have to choose between the children you want and the relationship you want. But your fiance doesn't sound like he will be much help with either.

NoArmaniNoPunani · 29/04/2015 05:43

Totally agree with fluffy clouds, I would seriously consider sperm donation if I were you

browneyedgirl86 · 29/04/2015 06:04

This man sounds exactly like my ex. You deserve far, far better than this. I completely understand the desire to have a family but being honest is this man the one you want to go down that road with?

He's being emotionally abusive now, if you got pregnant that would only get worse and as others have said bringing a child into the situation isn't fair.

I agree with the others who suggest doing it alone, it wouldn't be easy but I don't think having a family with this man is the right thing.

mummytime · 29/04/2015 06:22

You are not being unreasonable to grieve not getting what you dreamed of.

However, try to take sometime and imagine what it would be like if you had children with him. Him shouting at you in front of the children. Him shouting at the children. Never mind pregnancy when things often get worse. Then if you leave him when you have children, having to send them to him for a weekend of "shouty Dad", possibly with them in tears but the courts have said they must go.

There are definitely worse things than not having kids, and there are much worse things than being a single parent.

All the best for whatever you decide.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 29/04/2015 06:27

Yes, it's a horrible choice to make but having a baby with this horrible man is not the answer. Trust me that having a baby with an irrational, angry, emotionally abusive man is no picnic. I don't regret my son in any way but if I'd known how things would be with him I would have made different choices. You have a clue already, be wise.

fulltothebrim · 29/04/2015 06:48

Please please don't have babies with this man.

He willl have a negative influence on your children grwing up= is that what you want for them?

I met my OH when I was 38, pregnant within the year, and now have a stable loving family and two happy teenage children. Don't give up hope.

londonrach · 29/04/2015 06:55

Forget the baby issue are you happy with this man. You only 36 so babies can wait a couple of years. Can you see yourself with this man for the rest of your life. Do you love him. Does he love you. Imagine yourself retired age 70 spending time with him. Does he make you laugh.

MillionToOneChances · 29/04/2015 07:00

If you have children with someone you are stuck with them forever. A totally unreasonable boyfriend does not suddenly become a reasonable ex when you're sharing custody, when your children are crying about not feeling safe at daddy's house because they never know when he's going to shout at them.

Cut your losses, move on. This time last year I had two eligible male friends aged around 40 looking for someone around your age to settle down with. You haven't missed the boat but, even if he's the last boat going in your direction, you do not want to be on it. You wouldn't really be asking if you did. Every day you stay in the wrong relationship is a day you're not finding the right one.

patienceisvirtuous · 29/04/2015 07:06

I was in your position OP. I empathise fully.

I decided to go it alone at 35. However, I met DP (was not expecting to, at all).

Two years later and we have a yr of ttc and two mc's under our belt. We're back to trying again now.

You never know what's around the corner. If he makes you miserable leave - and shape a different future for yourself.

I stuck with a shit relationship for far too long because I was desperate for children. I didn't get them and just wasted more time.

I hope it all works out for you OP. You really do have time.

tulipbulbs · 29/04/2015 08:32

36 is so young. You've loads of time. A bad marriage is much lonelier than being on your own.
I had my last child at 41 and know people who gave birth at 45. I know that's not your ideal, but, it is possible and gives you loads of time.
Marriage is difficult enough without starting out with the wrong person.
As someone else said your future child deserves a better father, go find him.

Elllimam · 29/04/2015 08:36

I googled it and there is a website matching up co parents (not putting the link in case someone thinks I'm working for it). It sounds like if you stay with this man he will either put you off until you can't have a child or he will be a bad angry parent.

Andrewofgg · 29/04/2015 08:42

Why do lovely women like you get mixed up with shits like this?

Please drop him. You won't be happy, your DC by him would have a rotten time of it, and TBH I think he would be happier spending his life on his own too.

C0rde1ia · 29/04/2015 08:54

I had this conversation with myself a few times when I was with my x. I thought walking away from him would reduce my chances of having a family. I ignored the voices and I lived to regret it. I have a family but with a bully. A manipulative, abusive, controlling bully.

There is no joy in having a family with a man like this. You'll be linked to him forever. It is hard to get away from him, even when you have his child(ren) but want to split up he will make it really hard for you to escape. It won't be impossible, and escaping is still easier than continuing with the charade of a happy family, but it won't be easy either, he'll make sure of that.

Please don't do what I did.

I had a low self-esteem. I didn't recognise that because I was sociable. I confused being an extrovert with having confidence and I confused confidence in a social situation with good self-esteem. If I even understood back then what self-esteem was and how massively it impacts upon your self-esteem.

You don't have to have a big familiy to be be happy. That might be what you believe will make you happy but there are many different life situations that will make you happy. Delay your plan to become a mother and please think about why you would even contemplate merging lives with this bad tempered blamer of a 'man'.

If I could say anything to my self before I got pregnant by my x, it would be "don't do it, there, dump him, he isn't good enough for you, have psychotherapy first, be good to yourself, and stop worrying about appearances".

That saying "who knows what's round the corner?" used to annoy me when I had a low self-esteem because, the answer is invariably more of the same old shit you've been tolerating for years. But when you address your issues, raise your bar, stop tolerating bullshit, then the answer really is 'who knows what's around the corner?" and it won't make you roll your eyes.

I have two children with a bully. It's been so hard. Financially, emotionally, practically... it's been lonely. I've had psychotherapy and that really was the turning point for me. I feel like what happened to me happend to a different person. I wish I could advise her to make better decisions but I can't so please let me advise you! :-/ please dump him.

If I had dumped my x I wouldn't have the children I ahve now but maybe i'd have a great life partner who was just right for me and I wouldn't mis the children I never had.