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to worry that leaving him is giving up on ever having a family?

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cantfindnicknotinuse · 29/04/2015 00:39

Today I was in the car with my fiancé. He was driving and I was trying to read a map and give directions, in an area we are both a bit familiar with but has a confusing one way system.

There was a turning we had to take and I knew it was on a corner with a particular landmark pub on. What I didn't know is the actual entrance to the car park for the pub is round the back on a different turn off (I've never been to the pub, just seen it from the road). So I said, 'turn off at the junction with the pub', and he thought I meant the other one, and we went straight past where I thought we were turning whilst I was looking down at the map. Then I asked why we didn't turn where I thought, he said it was my fault and I said to go that way, and he started yelling at me about where he should go now, and I was trying to work it out from the map and panicking and we had to do this huge loop on the one way system and got the right turning.

And for a moment there was silence and I thought it would be ok. Then he started ranting and shouting at me about how I was terrible at communication, and why would I say turn off at the pub if I meant where the building was and not where you'd go in the car to go to the pub. And at that point I put the map down and said I couldn't map read anymore.

He pulled over, looked at the map, drove us to where we were going, and has basically been angry at me since. I tried to keep out of his way for a few hours, then tried to talk to him, saying I didn't think I deserved to be yelled at for a misunderstanding giving directions. He said he was sick of me blaming him when things went wrong (which I hadn't??) and he wasn't going to take it anymore.

This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened. Pretty much every week now, for months, something minor will happen and he will become frothingly mad at me, and then will stay angry at me for days, often telling me he's dumping me because he has had enough. At some point I crack and apologise to him because I feel so sad about being alone and him being so distant. He say's it stress, from his work etc, but its only getting worse. He refuses to see his anger is a problem, saying its just his personality, and I have to accept it to be with him. Sometimes he gets sad and says he's a terrible boyfriend to me, but nothing ever seems to change.

I think I already know what everyone replying to this will say. Dump him. Walk out. Stop letting him treat you like this. For god's sake don't marry him and have children with him. In fact many of you did say it, when I last posted on here about a tantrum he threw.

But, I'm 36. I have no family. I have no children. I've spent several happy years tentatively thinking that he may be the one before this cycle of misery started. The last man I dated before was lovely and sweet and, it turns out a commitmentphobe, who was always '3 years away' from marrying me and starting our family, things he would talk about in glowing terms, as if he regretted the circumstances weren't right to start already. After more than ten years I realised he would always keep manufacturing new circumstances to not be right. Before that there were a few boyfriends who just weren't that interested in me (cheating etc), or I was too young to realise we had nothing in common.

I always wanted a big family. To have children. It tears my heart out to think I have to walk away, and be alone again. To start dating again with desperation written all over me, my age and my chances of having the family I want slipping ever further away. I want to wail about how unfair it is, that I've always tried so hard to be a good and decent person, a loving partner, and that millions of people fall in love and have children everyday, and why wont it ever work out for me?

If it was just about leaving him, despite the heartbreak, I know I'd get over it. But if I leave him, and don't manage to have a family with anyone else, I feel I will always blame myself for not trying harder to make it work. That feeling is utterly crushing.

OP posts:
C0rde1ia · 29/04/2015 08:56

i mean, correction in bold (wish I could edit) ''if I even understood back then what self-esteem was and how massively it impacts upon your choice of partner "

Morelikeguidelines · 29/04/2015 08:56

I agree with all pps but have so much sympathy for you Flowers

Can you imagine when you have kids and he goes off into one of these sulks? Leaving you to look after the kids alone for days? Ignoring and possibly shouting at them too? Deciding that actually he will not do the nursery drop off after all to "punish " you so that you are late for work?

VelvetRose · 29/04/2015 08:57

I do sympathise with your feelings about being desperate to have children but imagine if you did have a child with this man! He'd continue to be horrible and then if you split up you'd have to deal with his crap while sharing the child.
Honestly, there are other ways to have a child (my friend is due next month, single parent, conceived via sperm donation), adoption is an option. Of course it's also possible that you may meet someone else in the years ahead.

Whatever happens life is too short to be in an unhappy relationship where you are made to feel bad about yourself.

C0rde1ia · 29/04/2015 09:01

ps, my x used to rant at me for hours while I had a baby in my arms, and I was pregnant too. In the downstairs toilet, I locked myself in and he ranted at me for hours from the other side. imagine that. Imagine how many milliion times more isolating and lonely it is to be pregnant with a toddler and to have a bully ranting at you.

You have to get out NOW

And screw dating. Honestly, fuck it. Set yourself a programme for the next year. I don't care how old you are, but fuck dating and fuck your biological clock. Give yourself a year. Pyschotherapy, abseiling, white water rafting. Safari. Just give a year to yourself. From you to YOU. I wish I could go back and fix the mistakes I made when my self-esteem was in the gutter but I can't.

ps, I'm ok now, I'm happy, I got through it. But I really wouldn't recommend it just to have a child. A sperm donor would be a million times preferable to a controlling abusive x with all the rights that fathers have now.

VelvetRose · 29/04/2015 09:07

Such a powerful, amazing post C0rdelia. I'm so glad you are happy now.

C0rde1ia · 29/04/2015 09:08

Two dates for you...

Sperm donor clinic.

Psychotherapy.

But you should definitely schedule in some really enjoyable things too. What did you used to do before you were engaged to him that he disapproves of? I bet there are things and people you have let slide in a fruitless effort to please him.

C0rde1ia · 29/04/2015 09:09

Thanks velvet. I am happy now. But it's been a long road and I wouldn't want anybody else to make the bad choices I made (although I guess it happens every day :-(

GoblinLittleOwl · 29/04/2015 09:11

Don't marry him.
This is exactly what my ex-husband used to do, rant about relatively trivial mistakes, particularly road directions; really, he was expressing his contempt for me. We married; the marriage was extremely unhappy and eventually he left. I survived and have a better life, but regret now the time and effort I expended on him; it changed nothing.
You are young, really, and you have so much ahead of you; don't waste your life on this unpleasant bully.
There are plenty more fish in the sea; all you have to do is catch the buggers, (as my Grandfather said).

Maliceaforethought · 29/04/2015 09:16

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VelvetRose · 29/04/2015 09:19

Yes I hear you! I remember thinking I was pregnant (many years ago when I was straight!) to a bf I knew was actually a total prick! The thought of actually being linked to him forever was horrible. I could foresee years and years of torment.

expatinscotland · 29/04/2015 09:19

Co-parent. Don't waste anymore time. 36 is not young. I'd find someone to co-parent with or use a sperm donor.

Littlefluffyclouds81 · 29/04/2015 09:21

A few years ago I was with a man who sounds like yours. He had saved me from a situation that was far, far worse and so by contrast his constant shouting and bullying didn't seem too bad, my confidence was at rock bottom.

Then I got pg. And started a thread on here about his behaviour (under an old username), and some amazing mumsnetters gave me the strength to leave him. And I made the heartbreaking decision to terminate the pregnancy because I didn't want a child of mine growing up with an angry bully for a father.

Think about it. He won't change. And it's not just your life who will be affected by him if you have a child. Do you want any child to grow up feeling like you do now? Walking on eggshells because of their father's temper and moods?

roslyndee · 29/04/2015 09:24

So sorry you are going through this. I completely understand how you feel. But I agree with PP, please don't put yourself and any DC you might have through this. My father was abusive and it's a horrible environment to grow up in.

I'm sure you will be a wonderful mother. You still have time to meet someone else and have children, but if you don't want to take the risk there is always the option of sperm donation, and personally I'd rather be a single mother than with a man who was horrible to me. You deserve more than that and so do your future DC Flowers

WhoNickedMyName · 29/04/2015 09:26

I do sympathise with you, but I'm not sure really what you want.

You've posted before and got identical advice.

nobody here has got a magic wand that's going to turn him into something he's not, and you're wasting time with him.

Do you want to be writing the same post again in 6 months, a year, 2 years?

unless you do something different, it's not going to change.

SometimesTables · 29/04/2015 09:27

Another vote for LTB. - kids are wonderful but stressful. Imagine how he would deal with the tiredness and relentlessness of DC. I'd run for the hills if I were you. I'd give serious thought to using a sperm donor.

Good luck.

Knittingbat · 29/04/2015 09:29

Put it this way: every day you continue to stay in this dead relationship is a day that is holding you back from the large happy family you want to have. For all you know you could have a child alone then meet a single dad with two kids and eight brothers and sisters and twenty five uncles and aunties and in three years time be making Christmas dinner for 4000 people and thinking 'HmmHmmHmm now what was I saying about lovely large families?!' OR you could meet someone nice and have two lovely kids OR you could have kids via sperm donor (hard, but better than no kids if that's what you want) OR another perfectly plausible and interesting, fulfilling, loving opportunity. But you cannot get into any of these situations while you remain in the stagnant one you're currently in.

steppemum · 29/04/2015 09:36

It is much worse being married to the wrong person than being single.

This was said to me by my friend when she had been married for a year. Sad

please don't stay with him.

MyCatIsAGit · 29/04/2015 09:44

I think Cordelia post above was spot on - take control. Take a year out for you, do lots of interesting new things, meet new people and see what happens. But don't date, and when you do start dating again, don't settle.

You might end up with a guy who already has kids, you might have one on your own, you might not have kids.

But you'll be free of someone who sounds as unhappy as you do. I think you have the power here.

FatherDickByrne · 29/04/2015 09:50

I was with a shouty man for 6 years. I stood up for myself but it was exhausting & debilitating. Finally, we saw the light & split & I met a lovely man & am happy. I'm so glad I was unable to conceive with shouty man - it would have been a disaster. I feel sad I have no kids but blessed in that I finally found a life partner. You can too. Life is long. LTB.

Jackieharris · 29/04/2015 09:51

Don't have DCs with the wrong man!

If you want DCs have them. I've been a ft working single mum. As long as you've got your own money coming in, can afford or get tax credits for childcare and have a secure roof over your head you'll be fine.

Maybe you'll meet someone new, maybe not. But don't put your life on hold waiting for the mythical mr right who may never exist.

C0rde1ia · 29/04/2015 10:00

yes, don't post this at 37, 38, 39..

You're only 36 right now and you'll never be younger.

I used to think that to tick off happiness what I needed to acquire was a lovely husband a job that impressed, beautiful children, the right circle of friends away, just out there, proverbial carrots dangling juuuust out of my reach and if I couldn't have them I wanted people to think I had them. ie, a husband who seemed lovely Confused

It turned out in my case happiness was a year of venting to a counsellor followed by 8 sessions of psychotherapy. And other forms of recovery and indulgence along the way. Prioritising health and nutrition over mere thinness and so on. Allowing myself to be interested in subjects that weren't profitable!

I am really happy now. And I don't care if people think I'm not. So the total opposite of when I made all those bad decisions.

kittycatz · 29/04/2015 10:20

LTB. It was a ridiculous overreaction over nothing - for goodness sake, he took a wrong turning when driving (supposedly your fault), he had to do a little detour and you found the correct turning in the end. Big deal.
If he is going to go off on one about something as small as that then who knows what will happen if something really bad occurs.
People take the wrong turning all the time and it is sometimes a bit stressful to have someone navigating - my boyfriend and I sometimes get a bit het up - but it certainly isn't a big drama and we don't go yelling and screaming at each other or sulking for hours on end.

Leave him. Imagine what it would be like to have children with this man and once you have children you will be forever connected with him even if you split up. It would be a nightmare.
Don't think that this is your only chance to have children. Maybe children are in your future, maybe they aren't but there is no future with a bully of a husband going on like that with you over a tiny navigational mistake.

DamFineBeaver · 29/04/2015 10:24

My best friend was in a similar position, and is a similar age (nearly 36), to you OP. Her partner's behaviour was bullying in remarkably similar ways to what your fiance's sounds like, right down to the driving examples.
My friend similarly has always wanted a family, and often has felt how unfair the situation is.

Anyway, she LTB (after 10 years) last year, and the process was very hard especially because of the feeling that he was at the time her "best chance of family".

Wind forwards a year and she is a different person. Infinitely happier, more emotionally robust, confident, busy, looks amazing... She has a brilliant social life and her own house, and has plenty of dates (and more) which she’s enjoyed. But the biggest thing is that she feels she has options – and she does. There are plenty of men interested in her, but if none of these ends up being a good option to have children with, there are plenty of ways she could do so without a partner. I think she now has the confidence to think about all these options, whereas when she was with her ex, she seemed to have very little option at all.
These days, she can’t believe she had any hesitation at all in leaving.
Please listen to the responses on this thread if you can, OP. People here are talking a lot of sense.
All the best. Flowers

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 29/04/2015 11:07

OP I know that it feels like letting go a dream but honestly you can do so much better. If this sounds childish so be it - he sounds mean.

The fact is this person is who he is and he's now started the "You always do this" spiel which wrong foots and upsets you. And that's even before the stresses a baby can bring. Are you sure he's even interested in starting a family?

Jackiebrambles · 29/04/2015 11:15

OP you sound lovely and he sounds a total arse. You are engaged to be married and this is how he treats you??

He's pathetic.

You have time to leave and start over, find someone who never makes you feel shit. It's better to be happy alone than miserable in a couple.

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