i would fricken BAN smoking at tables outside eating establishments

[ElizabethHoover]

Its just GOPPING.
Its like a nicotine based apartheid ( slight overstatement) where the TINY percentage of smokers (a sixth of the population) in the country force the rest of us inside to get away from their stench and litter.

GRR

Why thank you daffs, I felt a whole lot better after writing that!

the feelings mutual.. felt a lot better due to you writing it

FFS I know how to spell hijabs, was a mistake. Good God people are petty on this thread. Definitely not people I'd like to know.

( Smokers are much nicer people IME. )

facts and figures, back up your post, debate, errr cock off

And what really pisses me off is that aprox 200,000 people have given up fags by vaping but the powers that be want to ban that too even though they are 5% as harmful as actual cigarettes.

< bangs head against wall >

I saw that AW and thought it was a person that posted on the wrong thread. really? how mad.

Not sure avout "petty", but you were the one who said you would fucking ban ... people who can't spell or use grammar correctly and then couldn't be bothered to check what you'd written before posting.

Just undermined your argument somewhat.

The revenue that smoking brings pays for every bit of treatment a smoker can ever have. The smoker does not bleed the nhs. Smoking costs the nhs, say 20 billion, smokers pay in tax three times the amount. This is a FACT. Where the government choses to spend that is up to them.

So, never ever tell me I am not entitled to any treatment on the NHS. Ive paid for it thrice.

Im not sure we are arguing Suburban, are we? To point out petty things when you know full well what AW was saying is just that.... petty dont you think?

Lets sum this up.

Smokers pay for another two peoples bills in the NHS.
If smoking was banned then tax would go up considerably.
There is piss poor/no evidence of smoking outdoors causing cancer to others.
People dont like the smell.. ok, we all dont like various smells.

Ok OP In that case, I want to fricken BAN all unruly children on all forms of transport & eating establishments. Because it disrupts peoples' enjoyment of their trip & meal/s, due to "lack of parenting"

Fair swap? Because I would think so.

dirty minger's cancer smoke wafting in your face.

You think smokers are all dirty mingers?

You know that people like -

Oscar Wilde
Jean-Paul Sartre
CS Lewis
Sophia Loren
John Lennon
Alexander Graham Bell
Alfred Hitchcock
Pablo Picasso
Freddie Mercury
Sigmund Freud
Mark Twain
Albert Einstein

All of these were smokers. They've achieved more than you have honey so your ignorant comment just makes you look like a complete fool.

I'm not a smoker. Never have been. Thank God I don't judge people for using freedom of choice.

In answer to the OP. YABU. They have to smoke somewhere.

"Thank God I don't judge people for using freedom of choice."

Except when it comes to weight eh Lullaby.

I am suggesting that if someone is already in an outdoor area, smoking, then don't go and sit next to them and then tut when they light up. They were there first.

And what if the non-smoker gets there first?

Then the smoker should ask or refrain.

As I said, it works both ways.

Whether the smoker lights up first or the other way round. Its an outdoor area and the smoker is allowed to smoke. If the person that doesnt smoke objects then they need to go really. They are the ones that dislike the smell.

ask for permission? really? in an outdoor space? get right over yourself.

I think all smokers should be BANNED TO THE MOON because of IDOIT CANSER STICKS waving around outside like FREEDOM or something they ARE DIFFRUNT TO ME and I don't LIKE that.

One drum, one beat, for us all, and that's just dandy. As long as I get to choose what it is.

THINK ABOUT RUOY CARSTLE you bastards.

Blimey, what on earth is the matter with a lot of you? to pull up something that is irrelevant to the thread is ridiculous.

On the one hand its... let's debate, let's quote stats and figures. This has been done. Smokers pay for their NHS thrice over, they pay for another two non smokers treatment..FACT.

People have different things they dislike, which is allowed.

Fucking nutters some of you.. FACT

Oh and as for this:

I know this question wasn't asked of me, but anyway I'm certainly not suggesting anything of the kind. My suggestion is much shorter than that and involves a grip and the getting of one. Although if you're the kind of person who thinks they have to move house because someone is smoking outside somewhere, anywhere that they might possibly be seen by you and thus make you terrifically upset, I guess you're too far gone for that.

There is no evidence of sitting near someone that smokes will give you cancer FACT. There is not evidence that someone who smokes is a low life FACT. There however is evidence of pretentious up your arse people on here.

Get over yourselves.

I actually dont mind someone smoking I dont have a problem with it.

"Thank God I don't judge people for using freedom of choice."

Except when it comes to weight eh Lullaby.

Firstly that's extremely creepy and secondly it's extremely distasteful to bring up different threads - especially when it's in no way related to this thread.

So please tell me how I judged anyone for being overweight? When all I meant by my comment was that people should know the truth by professionals (not random strangers in the street) and shouldn't become ignorant to the facts by saying - well I'm a size 20 which is healthy and I will live long into old age over "healthy" sized people. I don't believe it is right to promote that.

I haven't judged anyone. I just think it's wrong to promote false ideologies that you can eat what the hell you want and it have zero consequences and is in fact healthy.

If people don't agree with me then that's completely fine. I don't agree with what some people say on this forum, but I've never felt the need to bring it up on a different thread.

But like I said .... seriously to drag up a different thread to try and belittle and degrade me only makes you look bad.

I apologise that my opinion had so much of an impact on you, because I genuinely have no idea who you are and don't remember having spoke to you as I don't take that much notice of usernames.

Blimey, what on earth is the matter with a lot of you? to pull up something that is irrelevant to the thread is ridiculous.

THANK YOU! Seriously after I read that I was like

Like I just said, I've disagreed many times with someone (great part of this forum is debate and being exposed to polar opposite views) and if I've taken issue with anything someone has said then I address it on the thread it was said on.

I've never felt the need to make snide little PA remarks to someone about something they said on a previous thread.

Seriously HelenaDove you are really all kinds of ridiculous.

I came on this thread because it came up in Active Convos lullaby My husband has emphesema due to smoking and has been told it will shorten his life by a great deal. He smoked for 48 years.