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To think the SNP are just bullies

139 replies

pbromum2 · 22/04/2015 13:29

Always have been and still are to this day.

Salmond boasting that they will write labours budget. Even though they will only get the similar amount of votes that the greens get. I don't support DC but even he is probably better than as.

twitter.com/essbo/status/590854050444398592

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growl3th · 23/04/2015 15:15

OOAOML risking a u-turn like the one the SNP have just done on corroboration?

Didn't they commission a report by Lord Bonomy and on his recommendations (which may take a couple of years to discuss) deal with it in the next parliament after the 2016 elections?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/04/2015 15:45

There was a report in the Telegraph (last week, I think) about two SNP activists who 'hunted' Margaret Curran (their words) whilst she was campaigning door-to-door. They yelled at both her and the householder she was talking to on the doorstep, and filmed them. One later boasted on his FB page, of 'cornering' MC.

The local SNP candidate issued a mild rebuke, but said that Margaret Curran was 'a fair target for community justice'!!

A Labour councillor also reported women canvassers being intimidated by groups of men, and told 'you are finished in this town', and in East Renfrewshire, a SNP supporter threatened a Labour canvasser with a chainsaw.

I have not seen any similar stories about other parties' supporters doing things like this.

The Telegraph article in full.

OneNight · 23/04/2015 15:59

I don't think you can attribute the actions of a few misguided activists wholly to the party, SDTG, given that there are many people in Scotland who are seeing this as 'Indyref- The Return' and passions are running high again in some parts.

I do not think they are bullies but I do think, having seen them in action at local and national level, that they are opportunists who will take almost any acceptable opportunity that comes their way to make political capital.

I am in a quandary about voting though because that is what the other parties are as well. I am extremely sorry for those people who believe that an SNP government is going to herald the dawn of some new shining age because it will not. There will just be same old, same old and many disappointed hopefuls.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/04/2015 16:08

I was not doing that, OneNight. But I do think the party leaders should be doing much more to rein in the activities of this small, but very unpleasant minority of their supporters/activists.

For an SNP candidate to say that Margaret Curran is a fair target for community justice sounds like a threat to me. I am not sure what she means by 'community justice' but it has overtones of vigilantism/lynch mob to me.

OneNight · 23/04/2015 16:18

Perhaps they should but it usually advantages party leaders to give temporary tacit approval to populism in action as long as it is on their side. I don't think they realize that they're riding the tiger though.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/04/2015 16:28

I think you are right about that.

HirplesWithHaggis · 23/04/2015 21:02

Has Kezia completed her investigations yet?

OneNight · 23/04/2015 21:27

It seems not.

HirplesWithHaggis · 23/04/2015 21:35

Perhaps this will help. It's been brought to her attention, I'm sure we'll have comment soon.

goindowntoyasgursfarm · 23/04/2015 21:36

Edinburgh South.

goindowntoyasgursfarm · 23/04/2015 21:36

Oops, I missed a page - sorry! Blush

OneNight · 23/04/2015 21:39

That's what I just linked to, HirplesWithHaggis.

HirplesWithHaggis · 23/04/2015 21:56

My apologies, that was a copy and paste error. Blush Here's what I meant to link.

tilliebob · 23/04/2015 22:05

I am fed up with the SNP. As a Scot, in Scotland, I'm fed up with people proclaiming things like "everyone is voting for them" Eh, no, they are not. I read someone that they're a bit like a cult, and yes I agree with that viewpoint. I am as disillusioned with politics as anyone else. The referendum killed any interest in politics that I ever had. It wasn't uplifting, it wasn't enlightening...it was bloody grim. But that's not a viewpoint that's allowed to be aired. It makes you a traitor, a non Scot, an immigrant - what the actual fuck?!

I'm Scottish, I can't stick the SNP, and there are lots of us about. We just can't speak freely without being jumped on. Fuck knows who I'm voting for, but it won't be the SNP.

OneNight · 23/04/2015 22:10

I think that many people are in your position tilliebob.

tilliebob · 23/04/2015 22:15

But you can't say it OneNight - Jesus, the vitriol and total bollocks that gets spouted at you. I had it in the referendum - we have neighbours, friends and relatives still not speaking to each other. It is bizarrely cult like. The new one I keep hearing is "I know lots of NO voters who are voting SNP" So what? I know YES voters who have never and will never vote SNP and I know YES voters who know bitterly wonder wtf they were thinking and are certainly not voting SNP. That's why the YES brigade were so certain they'd win in September - folk just smiled and nodded and then voted the way they wanted to. I fear an SNP landslide but I bloody hope it's not.

NoNameDame · 23/04/2015 22:22

This sort of politics is sad.

I think people should vote for who they want (potentially the party with the policies that will specifically help them and their family the most) but I think political parties have a moral duty to want to do what's right for the country/union as a whole.

I find it a bit alarming that what looks like a genuine political party are only interested in one small aspect of the population, I.e scots.

Obviously you could say the same about Tories primarily looking out for upper and middle class, labour looking out for socialist, greens looking out for nature loving people etc but the fact that SNP are looking out for a type of people not because they have the same beliefs or political aims but purely due to their race/country of origin doesn't sit well with me. Not when that party is potentially going to have a big impact on how the whole union is run (it would be fine if they were only interested in Scotland and could only influence Scotland but as a English/ British / uk citizen I'm worried about the bigger impact they might have.

Please note - I don't actually know too much about any political party including snp so may be wrong about their priorities but this is the impression I get of them.

OneNight · 23/04/2015 22:24

I think that that is the difference between us because I fear more the aftermath when people realize that what they're dealing with is ordinary people with the failings and frailties of ordinary people. That might be expected in most politicians but I have the feeling that many Scots believe that somehow the SNP are shining knights without blemish.

The whole situation reminds me of nothing so much as a pyramid selling scheme which is fine as long as there is sufficient money to fund it and sufficient road ahead to keep on moving. I worry about the day they run out of road.

trixymalixy · 23/04/2015 22:35

Totally agree with you onenight and tilliebob.

RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTime · 23/04/2015 22:45

Me too. I'm not voting SNP. I always voted for them previously but the referendum, the behaviour of many senior members and councillors as well as the cybernats have put me off forever.

Sunbeam18 · 23/04/2015 22:50

NoName, the SNP's main aim is Scottish independence. I will not be voting for them but I don't see how you can say they have a moral obligation to have policies that support the union! That goes against their basic premise!

Sunbeam18 · 23/04/2015 22:56

Also confused at SNP being described as being 'interested in one small aspect of the population, Scots.' Well, only this same small aspect of the population have the option of voting for them. England, Wales and N Ireland won't have that option. Scotland is part of the UK but has had governments in power that it has not voted for. It may democratically elect some MPs who will have some power within the coalition (if there is one); that doesn't sound unfair to me.

Iggi999 · 23/04/2015 23:30

Welsh people and Northern Irish people also have the option to vote for parties who are only interested in them, so to speak.

HirplesWithHaggis · 23/04/2015 23:41

The Northern Irish don't even have the option of voting Labour/Tory/LibDem.

OTheHugeManatee · 24/04/2015 07:07

Just thinking back to the last time a nationalist socialist party got elected somewhere, spouting a load of uplifting but not very logical stuff...