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To think the SNP are just bullies

139 replies

pbromum2 · 22/04/2015 13:29

Always have been and still are to this day.

Salmond boasting that they will write labours budget. Even though they will only get the similar amount of votes that the greens get. I don't support DC but even he is probably better than as.

twitter.com/essbo/status/590854050444398592

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DameCatrionaSnidelyGoads · 22/04/2015 21:52

For example the SNP believe that we should spend money like water and bugger austerity.

Thank heavens someone is talking some sense, say I

The largest amount of tax raised since 2008 was collected last year by HMRC, and its got to be spent on something, perhaps something other than quantitative easing, which makes the rich [like me] richer, and the rest of you relative poorer. Seeing as most the people voting work for a low wage, in a stagnant, low investment, low productivity economy.

Is the UK really producing anything?

But still, if that's the way you want it to stay, I'm not complaining.

Also it's bit peculiar that Murdoch's Sun SUPPORTS the SNP, but only in Scotland Grin

I thought they were in favour of the United Kingdom - this obviously doesn't apply north of Berwick. Support for national unity evaporates when profits are involved. (Imagine the Scottish Sun supporting the lesser-spotted Scottish Tory!)

Funny how Murdoch always backs the party that's going to win then claims his papers were instrumental in the victory.

Makes you wonder if he's made the right choice in England Wink

To think the SNP are just bullies
ReallyTired · 22/04/2015 21:53

Devolving power as locally as possible has to be good for everyone in the UK. There is no need for a bedroom tax in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or the north of England as there is plenty of cheap housing. In London and some parts of England there is a case for freeing up larger properties for those who really need a three bed house.

The SNP are part of the democratic process and so is UKIP. Just because you do not agree with a party's politics does not mean a political group are bullies. MPs represent their constituents wherever they are in the UK.

I hope the SNP would support more devolution for England.

DameCatrionaSnidelyGoads · 22/04/2015 22:12

I hope the SNP would support more devolution for England.

So would I.

London does not equal England.

Scottish independence would make devolution in England more likely, not less.

ReallyTired · 22/04/2015 22:24

The scots have voted against independence, however it was close. Maybe we need to redefine the union. We are four countries with our own cultures, people's and ideas.

ReallyTired · 22/04/2015 22:27

I don't live in London and I feel it's unfair that the London boroughs have more local power than other counties.

DameCatrionaSnidelyGoads · 22/04/2015 22:30

We are four countries with our own cultures, people's and ideas.

Probably more than four.

Pangurban · 22/04/2015 22:49

Alex Salmond's joke was very funny. So was Paddy Ashdown's interview where he said how the eurosceptic 'bastards' (16 at the time and described by such by John Major) kept John Major weak. Now there are 60 of them in the Con. party. Very droll. Very humorous but also pointed how a possible unholy alliance between Con's, UKIP and DUP would move governance further away from the decent.

They don't like it back at them.

YNK · 22/04/2015 23:04

Salmond's not the only joker in the pack!

www.itv.com/news/update/2015-04-22/cameron-compares-alex-salmond-to-a-pick-pocket/

CrystalCove · 23/04/2015 08:31

OP are you coming back to tell us more about why you think the SNP are bullies or were you just trying to be goady?

YNK, there are no words for that. Sad

nolassie · 23/04/2015 12:31

I think its quite plain to see the SNP and many of their supporters are bullies.

No other party has stopped its MPs publicly criticising their party.

It's imposing massive fines should councils increase Council tax to protect local services even though almost 80% of local people want the increase. They go to court to fight the Information Officer and protect plans from public scrutiny spending £100K in the process of tax payers money.
They shouted down the leaders of the CBI and Institute of Directors when they were concerned about currency options.
There were widespread reports from businesses involved in government tenders that they were told not to speak out about concerns over independence. Academics also reported grants/ funding being withheld if they spoke out. Everyone remembers Jim Sillars looking forward to "a day of reckoning". I still see lists circulating of all the NO companies that SNP supporters were not to buy from.
Then there's AS comment about bringing the BBC under control of Holyrood, or the criticism of the SNP suppressing the critical setting up of Police Scotland report.

The SNP can't of course control its supporters in the same way but they are still masterful in their manipulation of them. They brought in their happiness guru and learned all about the effects of language and the power of positivity. If I question SNP policy I'm accused of being negative rather there inquiring.

I'm sick of people blankly reciting phrases of positivity, hope, and fairness while understanding nothing about how this is to be achieved. I'm sick of being called a traitor, a paedophile sympathiser and coward blah blah blah. My FB timeline I must admit though is much nicer place to be since many acquaintances have unfriended me for be a NO voter. The only person I questioned about it (I'd never been unfriended by anybody and hadn't actually released what had happened) told me I disgusted her now. Nice.

6Musiclover · 23/04/2015 12:52

I wish I was in Scotland. I'd be voting for the SNP.

OOAOML · 23/04/2015 13:08

Well Neil Hay, SNP candidate, has been exposed for operating a Twitter troll account, so people like him may not be bullies, but certainly unpleasant. And yes, I'm aware there is unpleasantness on all sides, but he is a candidate FFS.

To those who say the SNP MPs will represent their constituents - how? With the pledge passed at the conference not to criticise party decisions, policies or members? At the moment I have an MP who has voted against his own party on occasion, and who will stand up for local issues ahead of party loyalty - fair enough, not constantly, but he will do it.

I don't think I know any No voters who are voting SNP. I'm certainly not, and I was an SNP voter in 2011.

OOAOML · 23/04/2015 13:09

6Musiclover want to buy a flat in Scotland?

BakewellSlice · 23/04/2015 13:15

Buy my house instead!

OTheHugeManatee · 23/04/2015 13:22

The SNP aren't bullies. This is politics, not a nursery FFS even though they can be he'd to tell apart sometimes.

What they are is a party dedicated to breaking up the Union and it would IMO be highly inappropriate for them to hold the balance of power in the government of a nation they are actively working to break up.

sweetkitty · 23/04/2015 13:38

I'm voting SNP for the first time in this election, the polls are predicting a SNP victory in our very safe Labour seat.

I don't want to break up the union but want more devolved powers for Scotland, NI, Wales and England, a feudal system like the one Germany has. Hate the Tories and Labour have just become another branch of the Tories. I do like Nick Clegg but will never forgive him for his sell out last time.

iHAVEtogetoutofhere · 23/04/2015 13:39

You can bloody HAVE my house if you'll clear the (small) mortgage!
I wont be staying as Independence is not going to be on the back burner for long.

Oh yes, come to Scotland but be aware

The justice system is being messed with by the SNP (see front of todays' Scotsman)
The education system under the Curriculum for Excellence crement
is just awful now
I have been waiting well over a year for a minor Operation.
My Consultant says the NHS in Scotland has become SO much worse since the SNP gained power that he is thinking of leaving the country

The SNP don't represent me.
Where I live less than 10% of folk voted for them last time.

Yet, apparently, if you didn't vote SNP in the IndyRef you were 'not a proper Scot'.

Can you imagine Farage telling the English who don't vote for him they are not 'proper English' people (well, yes, so can I!)

but can you imagine him getting away with it and still holding credence?

No, nor can I.

6Musiclover · 23/04/2015 13:45

6musiclover want to buy a flat in Scotland? OOAOML That's sounds very tempting, but we are currently looking to buy in Ireland. Maybe if we win the lottery, we could buy somewhere in Scotland as well, or London, or New York. Ah well I can dream..Smile

Bilberry · 23/04/2015 13:48

Sweetkitty you want a feudal system??

OOAOML · 23/04/2015 14:02

sweetkitty Labour want to have a constitutional convention. I agree that devolution UK wide needs properly looked at. The current situation with parliaments, assemblies, elected mayors, devolved NHS etc is just endless tinkering with the system, and we need to take a look at how we move forward. I wishyou luck with an MP who will be forced to toe the party line and never speak out (and yes, I am aware most parties toe the party line

The Lib Dems are in favour of federalism, and I think there are some strong arguments in favour of it, although I'm not an expert in all the constituitional details.

HirplesWithHaggis · 23/04/2015 14:16

Nobody voted SNP in the indyref. Confused Just as nobody is voting for independence in this General Election.

HirplesWithHaggis · 23/04/2015 14:32

Neil Hay has apologised for his comments. Has Ian Smart?

Where's your house, iHAVE, and how much is the small mortgage? I could be in the market. :)

OOAOML · 23/04/2015 14:37

Which seat is Ian Smart standing in? And Neil Hay's apology was a pile of shite. Kezia said she was going to look into the Ian Smart tweets.

Oh, and those unhappy we don't have masses of new powers yet - you do know they have to be legislated for? Or do you expect instant legislation with no scrutiny, risking a u-turn like the one the SNP have just done on corroboration? Or would you prefer people take the time to draft it and debate it and subject it to scrutiny before passing it?

CrystalCove · 23/04/2015 14:47

The Independence Ref was a Yes or No vote to should Scotland be an Independent country, it wasn't voting for the SNP.

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