To ask if anyone has ever had an irrefutable experience with a psychic?

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I'm just going to be really honest and say that the reason I'm asking this is because I'm afraid of death. I really want to believe that there is something after death, and so in the past I've thought about speaking to a psychic. If they could tell me one thing - just one thing that couldn't be explained away - I could say to myself 'Ok, there is something else out there' and be content and not let the idea of 'the end' terrify me too much. Yes I should probably seek counseling.

So my question is - does anyone have an irrefutable experience with a psychic - something they were told that can't be explained away? Mostly the experiences seem to point towards it all being a load of hooey (which is what I believe, but I want to believe it's not). Psychics seem to give very general readings and most are frauds that pick up on things that the person has said and regurgitates them, right? My friend saw a psychic and apparently her dead father 'came through' and told her that she was having her garden done - and it was true! Like your dad would bother coming up from the spirit world to tell you some mundane crap from your own life that you already knew!

I misread sorry, when you said child I thought baby. That was me muddling what I'd just listened to,with what I read, apologies.

I think that woman might be a psychopath ... Or else she actively gets a kick out of saying such horrific things

Ah yes, but look at the publicity she got out of it. They say there's really no such thing as bad publicity if it gets people talking about you, and no doubt it all helped to sell a few more tickets

I want to hear more about the big businesses and Intelligence Services that have psychics on their payrolls.........

Hakluyt I answered your post back thread ^^

I am not claiming to work for the intelligence services certainly not!

I have done a few jobs for risk solutions companies (tracing and identifying dead people's assets for litigation ) and when I have filled in the forms about the type of research I'm going to do for the company (I'm freelance, so have to go through the paperwork each time,) the form always asks if I have psychic abilities. I always tick 'no.' I asked about it once, and they told me they have psychics on their books who they use for asset tracing, hence the option of ticking the box.

I found it so weird that these international companies would do that, I mentioned it to a friend who worked in the foreign office, who told me that mi5 keep some psychics on retainer. Whether he was telling the truth or not, who knows.

I was just repeating what I saw, and then was told, in answer to the OP's question.

I suspect that the "Do you have any psychic ability?" question is a way of narrowing down applicants. Those ticking the "Yes" box probably either get filed under "Crazies We Never Want To Interview Again" or go straight in the bin :)

Someone should absolutely write a thriller about a psychic being employed by the intelligence services... Or, I suppose, a comedy...

I read an article somewhere about a psychic who had claimed that she helped police to solve a certain number of cases. When the writer investigated though, she was wrong every time in her predictions. Does anybody else remember reading that?

It would make for very short whodunnits!

Has anyone seen "The Man Who Stared at Goats"? I can recommend it.

Logic has to prevail here surely? What would be the scientific explanation of any such life or communication after death? None -it is physically impossible.

All these things are a hangover from when science remained largely undiscovered and things like the sun and stars were a mystery. There is no mystery any more - there is science and knowledge.

This is a hard pill to swallow and so we take comfort from reincarnation and life after death and messages from the other side. But none of that is logical or possible. We are simply atoms and when we physically cease to be, these atoms go on to be used elsewhere in the universe. Sad but true.

You don't need information about people to rip them off, just a clever system and a good memory. I remember the investment scam where the scammer went round the guests at a dinner party telling one half that oil was going to boom and the other half to buy gold.
When gold soared he contacted the gold people 'by acident'. Told half of them to buy coffee and the other half to sell coffee.
Eventually he had a few people who thought he was an absolute genius and he was able to nick a lot of their money.

I also find it amazing that no-one has an answer for why James Randi's $1million remains unclaimed

Maybe they don't want the money, or the publicity it would bring. Not everyone wants loads of money.

Bollocks. If by some miracle I was so rich that I could afford to turn down a million, I can think of loads of worthy causes/charities that would be glad of it.

Maybe they don't want the money, or the publicity it would bring. Not everyone wants loads of money.

So every single person who has claimed psychic powers would prefer to nobly prefer to labour away charging old women £40 a pop to tell them their husband misses them and they should try looking in the back of the settee for the shed key they'd mislaid.

There are plenty of self proclaimed psychics who have used their dubious skill for commercial profit. Sally Morgan and Derek Acorah to name but two, are you really telling me that ethics and a sense of noblesse oblige prevent them from claiming the prize?

I also agree that the money doesn't need put anyone off claiming the prize - they could make themselves look even better (??) by giving it to charity

More to the point, why don't they appear to welcome some unbiased, scientific proof of their so-called abilities? Or is it that they'd already making enough out of the easily convinced and are anxious to avoid exposure?

Presumably it's the same as religion - people believe in something that can't be scientifically proven and in many cases give a lot of money to their church, whilst continuing to believe in something that gives them comfort?

"Maybe they don't want the money, or the publicity it would bring. Not everyone wants loads of money"

Not everybody, no. But some people do. And plenty of people use their "gifts" to make a good living. Sally Morgan, for example. And that Angel card woman. Are you telling me that if they had a surefire way to make a million quid and make a lot of sceptics eat their words they would't do it in a heartbeat?

I think you're right, SirChenjin - and after all it's their own money to do as they wish with

Doesn't mean the rest of us have to admire it though, or resist challenging the sillier claims

Yes I have. Very close friend, who doesn't broadcast the fact that she has an ability. There is absolutely no question that she has some sort of ability, because of the nature of what she told us.

Long story short, what we were told by the psychic, we didn't even know ourselves at the time she told us - we were waiting to receive the information. There was absolutely no way she could have known the information she gave us by accident or digging, nor could she have obtained it from someone else, because she was not privy to the information as it was very confidential.

She wasn't just "vaguely accurate", she was spot on with very accurate details. It's happened a couple of times from my friend, she's told us stuff, it's been correct. She doesn't tell people that she has an ability and certainly doesn't charge for it.

There are a huge number of charlatans out there. More than people with any kind of ability. Consequently, I am very, very if someone tells me they have a "gift".

Trouble with that, quiettiger, is that we have absolutely no way of knowing whether there is some way you might not have thought of that she had the information- and I am guessing, as it is confidential, that you will understandably not want to go into details. So your story can't count...........

So Dixie, there's a couple of explanations really.

1. That this man defied the laws of the science to speak to a dead person. Said dead person didn't reveal the mysteries of the universe or explain the concept of the afterlife but then proceeded to tell you something trivial you already knew?

2. He managed to winkle the information out of you using psychological techniques that can be learned.

3. In the 15 years that have passed you might have over-estimated the accuracy of the predictions.

What's more likely 1, 2 or 3 (or a combination of 2 & 3)

Puzzled - an a confirmed atheist I'm with you on that!

I wonder if the skills used by a psychic are those required by investigative under cover staff.

FirstWeTakeManhattan You were probably thinking of one of my favourite quotes from Mark Twain:

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”