To ask if anyone has ever had an irrefutable experience with a psychic?

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I'm just going to be really honest and say that the reason I'm asking this is because I'm afraid of death. I really want to believe that there is something after death, and so in the past I've thought about speaking to a psychic. If they could tell me one thing - just one thing that couldn't be explained away - I could say to myself 'Ok, there is something else out there' and be content and not let the idea of 'the end' terrify me too much. Yes I should probably seek counseling.

So my question is - does anyone have an irrefutable experience with a psychic - something they were told that can't be explained away? Mostly the experiences seem to point towards it all being a load of hooey (which is what I believe, but I want to believe it's not). Psychics seem to give very general readings and most are frauds that pick up on things that the person has said and regurgitates them, right? My friend saw a psychic and apparently her dead father 'came through' and told her that she was having her garden done - and it was true! Like your dad would bother coming up from the spirit world to tell you some mundane crap from your own life that you already knew!

So what's more likely? That a car in a river might make all sorts of squeaks, groans etc that could be mistaken for a voice....or that a dead woman could call for help?

Or that the poor baby wasn't actually unconscious and said something? Always look for the the most likely solution. Policemen aren't immune from being unreliable witnesses, or from being put into a heightened emotionql state by finding a dead mother and a critically ill baby in a car in a river.......

I am not making claims for its veracity, but that a pp was being truthful when she referenced this story which you rather rudely dismissed as 'snopes stories happened to me' or something along those lines. You were accusing the pp of reporting an urban legend as if she had heard it was true, and actually she was reporting a genuine recent new story. I neither know nor particularly care if the pooliuce officers were mistaken, though its a nice thought that love might transcend death, but I believe that they are genuinely reporting what they thought happened during as highly emotionally charged rescue operation.

The baby was unconscious, and close to death. She had been hanging upside down above a river in sub zero temps for 13 hours and was unresponsive when found.

Compos - Blonde wasn't merely given comfort, she was given details. I would be interested to know if those details were the result of questionning and fishing on the part of the spiritualist or whether he/she simply gave those details unprompted (as in the case of my work colleague)

She is fine now though.

Doris Stokes claimed on several occasions to have solved crimes with information from murder victims from beyond the grave, two murders in the UK and one in LA. The Lancashire police put out a press release saying she hadn't contributed to the detection of either murderer, and the LA police, when contacted by James Randi, said she had only told them information that was already publicly available in the media.

I remember the story about the baby. My own belief is that we have some sort of sixth sense that becomes heightened at times - and possibly this sense is more developed in some than others.

I've never been to a psychic. But I did have something funny happen with a person I had just met (she happened to be a shiatsu practitioner) who seemed to see my recently deceased cat sitting on my lap while I was talking to her.

When I asked her to describe the cat she did a very good job of it. My cat had unusual and distinctive markings and a weird way of lounging over me, all of which this woman described very well.

I had only just met her so there was no way she could have known about my cat or anything else about me...

I still don't know what I make of it all but I don't believe that there is anything after death, I am afraid.

"I remember the story about the baby. My own belief is that we have some sort of sixth sense that becomes heightened at times - and possibly this sense is more developed in some than others."

Or, more likely that the car made a noise, the human's well documented pattern recognition software turned it into "help" and by the end of the operation they had all heard it. Honestly- the simple explanation is always the best!

I've never had an irrefutable experience with a psychic because such things do not exist. That's the long and the short of it IMO.

I once saw a television programme in which a self-proclaimed medium came to the home of a bereaved couple. The medium stated that he knew nothing about them but immediately told them that he was being contacted by the spirit of their dead son. Well, I'm no medium but it was obvious to me that this couple was reeling with grief. It was absolutely written on their faces. I would have guessed that they had lost a child. And there was a large photograph of a young boy hanging on the wall. I think that self-styled psychics who take advantage of the bereaved and vulnerable are beneath contempt.

I'm not simply talking about the baby but I do believe that there is a sixth sense that gives us those 'you just know feelings' - the sort that tells us you shouldn't drive a certain way and then you find out there was an accident at the time you would have been on the road, or you suddenly think of someone who you haven't seen in years a propos of nothing and you bump into them later that day, or you pick up the phone to phone someone and they are already on the line having phoned you at the same time, or you know something is going to happen before it does but you don't know why or how you know...that type of thing.

Hakluyt, I am not claiming to work for the intelligence services! My own experience I am talking about is asset tracing. Boring financial/corporate stuff, but yet stuff they do use psychics for! You are not reading my posts correctly.

My personal belief is that the 'psychic' gives us vague details, and we subconsciously fill in the gaps because we want to believe. Then when re-telling the story, we subconsciously embellish it. e.g. Psychic says "I have someone called Bob here", audience member's grandad was called Bob so they speak out = audience member tells everyone that the psychic knew their grandand's name...

People also tend to forget all of the stuff that doesn't come true, and just remember the good bits. It would be very interesting to hear a recording of someone's reading and compare this to their retelling of it. I bet you would find big differences.

Anyway, my sister regularly visits a psychic, who has told her that I will have twins. No idea how much info my sister has given the psychic, but I am in my late 30s with fertility problems (and no DCs) so I'm considering having IVF in the future, and twins are I guess more likely in that scenario. So if psychic knows all of this, then you can see where she may have drawn her prediction from.

Having said all of that, I'll be delighted if her prediction comes true, and I'll come back and update this thread

sir I def did not prompt and was very cagey about details coz I wanted proof

And I got it

Things they all told me were true and no way they would have none

I once saw a television programme in which a self-proclaimed medium came to the home of a bereaved couple. The medium stated that he knew nothing about them but immediately told them that he was being contacted by the spirit of their dead son. Well, I'm no medium but it was obvious to me that this couple was reeling with grief. It was absolutely written on their faces. I would have guessed that they had lost a child. And there was a large photograph of a young boy hanging on the wall. I think that self-styled psychics who take advantage of the bereaved and vulnerable are beneath contempt

The very fact that you're seeing a medium is usually an indication that someone close to you has died, probably fairly recently and possibly in unexplained or tragic circumstances. It isn't that much of a leap from this to conclude that it is their dead son they wish to communicate with.

Someone is unlikely to contact a medium because they want to get in touch with Uncle Trevor's next door neighbour who died in 1987 or just because they want to see who's up for a chat in the spirit world.

Also I agree the 'it gives comfort' argument is bullshit and I agree self-styled psychics are the worse kind of crooks, fleecing the vulnerable and stopping them from grieving for the death of their loved one. It might give someone grieving 'comfort' in the here and now to tip ten pints down their throat every night to block out the pain of their loss, but it probably won't help them to come to terms with it and move on.

Oh and an account of a sceptic who went to see Sally Morgan in Middlesbrough and in the course of her show re-enacted the apparent circumstances of the deceased's suicide, which I can't imagine that gave the watching audience members much comfort.

Oh Sally Morgan. Yes she's a special kind of revolting. Needs boiling in oil really.

Quote -

Sally Morgan: Did the man who committed suicide have red shoes?

Audience member: No, he didn't

Sally Morgan: Well that must be the blood dripping onto his feet.

Actually I think it's worse - I took it from. The podcast that when she mentioned the red shoes/blood she was talking about a child. Could be wrong - the washing machine was on spin at the time so I might have misheard.

I think that woman might be a psychopath. That's the only explanation I can think of for why someone could be that heartless and lacking in empathy. Or else she actively gets a kick out of saying such horrific things.

That video is really interesting, and explains a lot of the techniques that the fraudulent mediums use.

It would be very interesting to hear a recording of someone's reading and compare this to their retelling of it

Surely this has been done? I'm trying to find anything about it but not having much luck ...

Once again, though, it points up the need some have to believe all of this is true. When someone's got a lot invested in the process (financially as well as emotionally) it can be very hard to be objective; it also tends to make them extremely vulnerable

You could be right Freshwater and I agree what she was doing was mental torture.

Leaving aside that fact that she'd allegedly got this message from the spirit world (which she 100% didn't). Acting out the circumstances of the boy's suicide, in front of his grieving family????????

If I'd witnessed a family member die in such traumatic circumstances, I wouldn't unsolicited give graphic accounts of their death to other family members, let alone act out in front of a room full of strangers. What a way to cause them unnecessary pain.

Freshwater,she talk about a baby in a photo which an audience member handed in before the show, they were asked to hand in a photo of a deceased love one, but the audience member actually handed pic of herself as baby. Sounds like the whole show took a downhill turn from there.
The red shoes were to someone else and not about a child, I thought it couldn't get worse, but then later on she asked a young girl, why her deceased boyfriend (who also committed suicide) was tapping her on her side, and Sally put it down to being his swinging body. And she's considered one of the "reputable" mediums by many people.