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AIBM to not let ds2 4 wear his Elsa dress out anymore due to twattish sniggering parents

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NellysKnickers · 13/04/2015 16:00

Ds2s hero is Elsa. He loves her and Frozen. He also loves mud, dinosaurs, trains and his bike. He wore his Elsa dress to pick up ds1 from school today. I'm shocked by the amount of parents giggling and pointing, I expected a bit from kids who dont know any better but adults? ?? I'm torn between being upset and wanting to pinch them in the face ( obviously I would never do this in reality) Why is it that people think it's ok to laugh at someone a little bit different, Dh just says they are a bit thick!

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GColdtimer · 14/04/2015 23:53

So homeishappiness it's not unkind to discuss with your DC that "some silly woman took her son out in a frick". Lovely values you are teaching your kids - let's see, from that conversation they will learn that it's ok to judge others on things they do which are none of your business, to be narrow minded and bigoted.

TeddyBee · 14/04/2015 23:58

Here are my two playing dress up together. Nobody I know thinks DS is 'ridiculous' for enjoying dress up devoid of gender stereotyping.

AIBM to not let ds2 4 wear his Elsa dress out anymore due to twattish sniggering parents
Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 00:00

And you would take them out looking like that and expect others not to notice? Right.

Pyjamaschocolateandwine · 15/04/2015 00:14

Teddy

They look adorable. At home or in a childcare setting where make believe is fantastic.

However the school fun is different.

Would you pick up in a ball gown? If not why not?

Think it through and then apply it to children.

Social norms are just as important to children as to adults because children laugh and tease other kids just as adults do other adults.

You say 'nobody you know* meaning other adults but what about other children?

4 is on the cusp of starting school and trust me as a cm,and a reception class TA, kids are very capable at judging and teasing.

It's not nice but it's life. Why make things harder for kids.

GColdtimer · 15/04/2015 00:19

And you would be right there "noticing" and then discussing how ridiculous it was around the dinner table that night I presume homes? People like you are the problem. Not parents who are happy for their kids to be kids. They have a lifetime ahead of bring sensible.

Dd2 went to school pick up in a ladybird dress with a back pack, her wellies and an elsa wig the other day. Yes people noticed, yes people smiled but none of it was vindictive. I guess I just know nice people

I can't see the picture teddy but I bet they look great.

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 15/04/2015 01:47

I'm afraid he would've got laughed at round here. Perhaps not openly by adults but by other children.

4 is on the cusp of starting school and trust me as a cm,and a reception class TA, kids are very capable at judging and teasing.

Very true ^

But as a pp said, only on MN.

Weebirdie · 15/04/2015 05:03

I didnt find 'homeishappinesss' offensive at all and she hit the nail on the head with this.

I often think parents who let their boys wear dresses are watching, and waiting for people to react so they can be controversial and get angry with 'society'.

In fact she has described perfectly someone I know who is so desperate for attention that each of her children is a poster child for some cause or another. And yes, her wee boy wearing his sisters clothes to school is one of her causes.

soverylucky · 15/04/2015 07:38

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OrangeMochaFrappucino · 15/04/2015 07:44

So, would those of you who can't cope with the idea of a boy putting on an Elsa dress also not allow a girl to put on a Spider-Man suit? Would she be ridiculed in the same way? Would you find it 'revolting'? And if not, can you explain why?

What about boys playing with dolls? Girls playing with cars? How far do you dictate to your pre-schoolers what they can and can't do based on their genitals?

Have you ever encountered a boy choosing something 'girly' himself? Do you assume if you see a boy with a My Little Pony that it's been duct taped into his hand by a mad attention-seeking mother? Or that he chose it because he liked it and as that's totally harmless, his parents didn't object?

Or is it just boys in dresses? Why is that?

fakenamefornow · 15/04/2015 07:44

4 is on the cusp of starting school and trust me as a cm,and a reception class TA, kids are very capable at judging and teasing.

So as a TA or CM do you forbid the children in your care to dress up in clothes of the 'opposite' gender? Or maybe just the boys from doing so?

OrangeMochaFrappucino · 15/04/2015 07:46

I asked a lot of questions, by the way I'm most interested in whether a girl in a Spider-Man suit would get the same reaction of mockery and disgust?

flippinada · 15/04/2015 07:48

That's an awful lot of nonsense on here about a little boy who is playing dress up - and it's not coming from the OP.

Only1scoop · 15/04/2015 08:13

'Find it revolting'
'disgust'

A bit strong Jelly.

Has anyone actually used those words....We don't all agree but I'd hardly find seeing a boy in a girls dress 'revolting' Confused

Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 08:20

I did, and do, I have to admit. I really find it nauseating. Same with nail polish, 'sexy/babe' t shirts, shaved heads, one ear pierced ... l hate it. I'm not rude about it though.

Micah · 15/04/2015 08:26

we saw a wee boy in a dress and pushing a pram a while back.

He had Down's syndrome.

So we are still ok to laugh and point right? Because his parents should know better?

Actually all these people here who think it's wrong for a boy to wear a dress- you are saying the parents shouldn't allow it. So judge the parents and don't ridicule small children..

pearpotter · 15/04/2015 08:27

I would just urge parents of boys to stop teaching them that the worst thing they could ever be is a girl.

GColdtimer · 15/04/2015 08:31

But your are being rude home when you bitch about these people to your dc over the dinner table, further teaching them that it is ok to bitch about people and ok to judge people who might not fit with your own ideals.

You and me both jelly. I wondered why a boy in a dress was any different to a girl dressed as a cat. Leaving aside the frankly bizarre "the school run is no place for dressing up clothes" views I just don't get why it's different. They are children playing make believe.

SilverBirch2015 · 15/04/2015 08:33

But what is it that you find nauseating? What anxiety in you is it triggering?

Do you feel the same with adults behaving in certain ways or doing something outside of your own tastes and preferences?

Would men kissing, someone with a severe disability, dressed in clothes from a different culture make you feel that way too?

GColdtimer · 15/04/2015 08:38

And weebirdie, in my experience toddlers and preschoolers are a pretty stubborn and determined bunch. I find the idea that someone would go to the effort of forcing their ds into a fairy outfit (they didn't want to wear) to make a point frankly ludicrous. Most dYs I find it hard enough to make them do the things that keep them safe and well without getting into battles about what they should or shouldn't be wearing be wearing on the school run.

There is a time for having the discussion about appropriate dress for certain occasions. Aged 4 on the school run isn't one of them.

And as for other kids laughing - I can see from this thread where they get it from.

Sootgremlin · 15/04/2015 08:44

A four year old in a dress up costume of the wrong sort 'nauseating'.

What do you do when you have a ds that gravitates toward the 'girls' stuff though? Because it isn't only on Mumsnet, it is real little boys that are being described as revolting for their innocent play.

I mean, look at that picture teddybee posted, if I saw those two walking down the street I'd think how adorable and would tell my DH when I got home and he'd think it was cute too. We often talk about kids we have seen the same age as ours and it's never in a sneering, jeering way, because we're reasonably nice human beings who want to set a good example of how to behave to our own children.

It is utterly depressing that adults would encourage this.

Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 08:45

I think there are several things happening here.

Firstly, I think that we all unanimously agree that pointing, laughing and jeering openly is wrong and should not have happened.

Since it did happen, this is where we are divided.

There are people who feel that the OP "brought it on herself" by allowing (encouraging, some think) her son to wear an Elsa dress on a school run, and there are people who think that the OP should continue to encourage/allow her son to do this because the jeerers are the one with the issues.

I understand both those viewpoints. However, I'm not entirely sure I'm completely in agreement with either of them.

My 'issue', such as it is, comes form the fact that I don't like princess dresses. It is not that 'the worst thing you can be is a girl' at all. Dress up as a nurse, play at being a dad and push a pram (or baby wear to be really right on Wink), by all means. But I don't see where 'feminism' translated into 'all the frivolous, frills and flounces, pouts and puckers, should be freely available to BOTH sexes.'

Isn't it high time we started encouraging our boys AND our girls to be something other than Disney princesses? Hmm The frocks do revolt me, and I know that's a strong statement but it is one that is honest. I dislike seeing them on little girls but often 'gender reversal' can be even more unpleasant (for want of a better word) when you see something that isn't usual you question it more.

I feel similarly when I watch Dance Moms guilty pleasure and the girls wear bright red lipstick and heavy makeup. I understand it as under the stage they just look like pretty girls. But under the raw light of backstage, it looks like an over the top and elaborate pantomime. I hate seeing children like that. I just hate messages that indicate/suggest that children are to be valued on their looks, and no matter what superpowers Elsa had, she is a princess and wears a dress accordingly.

Now when children are playing, that isn't a problem. When children are undertaking a day to day activity, it is more so: I suppose, to cite my earlier example of Dance Moms Blush that makeup looks fine on stage. Off stage it would look garish and hideous, frankly!

Now my second 'issue', for want of a better word, is that it can be dangerous having parents who titter indulgently and say 'where's the harm'. It is the child, in this case children - I doubt very much that this little boys older brother was thrilled at being questioned about his brothers outfit of choice, although huge kudos to him for how stoically and loyally he dealt with it - but he should not have to.

My parents were lovely but a sentence I used to dread was "no one here knows you," that translated to - 'so you can be naked' - I felt uncomfortable being naked from a very early age and don't know why: just did. But because I was a little girl it was acceptable for me to run round unclothed on the beach. As I got older and an all over tan was the fashion I still remember feeling very uncomfortable about being encouraged to remove the top half of my bathing suit. I was as flat as an ironing board but still 'felt' on some level I should be keeping that part of me covered and didn't like being encouraged to do so.

Obviously, this little boy didn't notice - and I remind people again that I don't condone rudeness, ever - but his brother did and he will.

My firm recommendation is to keep princess stuff for dressing up boxes. If however, he wants to push a pram to school I'd be right behind you in the 'dads look after babies too!' camp :)

Only1scoop · 15/04/2015 08:47

I detest those cheap horrible princess dresses am delighted dd has never chosen one.

pearpotter · 15/04/2015 08:53

Ewwww, those "cheap horrible princess dresses". Perish the thought. People might think you shop at ASDA or something. Hmm

Homeishappiness · 15/04/2015 08:58

Are you kidding - I love asda! Grin

JigsawsAreAllLittlePieces · 15/04/2015 09:08

Ah the inspired lunacy that is Mumsnet. Grin

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