AIBU to find it disgusting that gypsies have taken over a school playground

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whilst attending my best friends wedding today in a little village I was horrified to see that gypsies had taken over the school playground. There was rubbish all over the floor, children and dogs running all over the place and scantily clad women puffing away.
why a school playground, these people have no morals. The poor caretaker is going to have his work cut out for him as there was at least 15 caravans!

Well bloody said SGB.

living with a cat or dog is vastly cleaner than leaving human shit all over a children's play ground.

I wouldn't disagree at all with that SGB but the two aren't mutually exclusive, I think there were many factors which fed into the grooming being allowed to continue and I do think the angst of authorities around ethnicity of a majority of the perpetrators was one.

Is gorgers an insult or just a word for non travellers like we call travellers travellers?

Like 'pikey' is an insult and not to be used. Is gorger the same thing for non travellers? Like not something you would want to be called

Now I'm honestly starting to think that the beautiful lad wasn't actually calling me gorgeous

Calling non Gypsies gorgers is not an insult. It simply means non Gypsy. I'm sure if he made you feel gorgeous, then you must be.

Thank you

He was extremely beautiful. My long lost love.

I'm Romany. I pay taxes, live in my own house, work full time, have never pooed anywhere I shouldn't
There's more than a million of us in the UK, but most, like me aren't 'out' as Romany as it's caused me trouble in the past with some of the attitudes.

If a Romany (or someone from any other race) causes a problem for you or in your town, then report it. I would. I had someone from another race put a brick through my front window once. Guess what, I didn't blame the entire race, I called the police.

AFAIK, at least part of the reason why travellers are seen as dirty & that they leave ruubish everywhere, is that a lot of the places they pitch up, have no rubbish collection & no facilities. It's a lot of work to take all your trash to the tip daily, if you are concerned that you may not be able to get back onto your site when you return due to police etc - so you don't leave. A lot of travellers may not have a large enough caravan to allow them to cook, so they live mostly off takeaways etc - lots of rubbish generated. And don't forget, before we all had regular rubbish collections, we all lived in the same boat, rubbish-wise. And the same goes for sewage. In pre-Victorian days the most common way of disposing of your sewage, was to drop it in the gutter or river.

Just because the majority of us live in settled homes & have regular bin collection & sewerage disposal & water on tap, it wasn't always this way. And this is why there should be more proper sites for travellers - because then they would have access to these facilities. The travellers site I used to live near, was always immaculate.

Wind your bobbin. very well said .
I'm don't "out" myself either. It's too much trouble. But these threads do bring me down, remind me of why I just blend in. its a sacrifice though, a heart wrenching one at times. I feel chained in, trapped like bird. Don't get me wrong, I like the life I have and it's easier in the children but it's not the same. Best luck to you .

telephone I see your point about the lack of access to some services however if this was the issue then why can people not put there rubbish into bin liners instead of left all over the place?

Hells bells this is still standing?! This isn't a reasoned discussion about the issues surrounding (some) traveller/gypsy communities, but generally a discriminatory rant about ethnic groups.

The language we use matters. When we animalise a group of people (a pp likened them to sewer rats, a post which I think has thankfully been deleted) it allows us to turn a blind eye to horrible acts of discrimination. For example, having to state ethnicity when trying to set up settled caravan sites. Plus the farmers who banded together to scare off a group before they'd evendone anything. If you were treated that way, treated like scum before you'd even opened your mouth, how long would it take before you thought 'fuck you, I don't give a shot about keeping your precious segregated park clean'?

I think it's disgraceful and you shouldn't have to blend in. They're never given the chance to prove people otherwise and not shown any respect. Our village provides both, and we never have any problems.

This thread is full of ignorant bigotry.

NotallTravellers yes I know how you feel. I am actually out at work now but worked there a very long time before I trusted it. Interestingly I now know two other Romanies in my department. Sadly it seems quite common to have to keep quiet.
I was in a meeting at work when someone was talking about the Holocaust before the meeting started (it was on the news, not totally random) and then jokes started about how they should've finished the job with the gypsies. This was in the 2010s in the UK. It saddens me that it's acceptable.

In fairness MoreisnnogedagI think the poster who'd said about the farmers was describing them blocking access to private land, and I don't think anyone has said parks should be segregated just that they shouldn't be used for setting up mobile homes and livestock on. Nobody traveller or otherwise should be doing that, let alone leaving the parks in a hazardous state. Nobody (Traveller or non Traveller) should be threatened or intimidated when going about their lawful business either.

Telephone In towns the usual way to get rid of sewage was to open the window, yell Gardy loo and throw it out.

But that would not be acceptable now. From anybody.

Traveller sites sounds like a good idea in theory; but it has always led to unauthorised and insanitary camping nearby by people "waiting for a site".

The fact is that the world changes and an itinerant way of life may no longer be possible. Once there was enough seasonal agricultural work to sustain it - honestly if not necessarily in a paperwork-compliant way - not any more.

And that change occurs and hurts is not unique to travellers, is it? Remember Grunwick, the great industrial cause célèbre of the Seventies? In the end Grunwick closed, and it wasn't the wicked capitalist or the arrogant trade union which closed it; it was us when we bought digital cameras and stopped having films processed. And scores of thousands of jobs in processing labs disappeared; some places got his like the mining villages when the mines closed. And I don't remember hearing anyone saying that digital cameras should be forbidden to protect their jobs, and a good thing too.

TelephoneEggGnawingMachine, why wouldn't they be allowed back on to the illegal site, just because they went to pop some rubbish in the local dump?

That's not really how it works. In order to not allow that person back on site, the council would have had to follow the correct eviction process. In which case, there would be no-one left on site.

Also, I believe many other councils do as mine does and provide huge bins and a refuse collection. However, they can't force anyone to use them.

bigfam I think what you've said "They're never given the chance to prove people otherwise and not shown any respect. Our village provides both, and we never have any problems" is as much of a sweeping generalisation as the posters you've criticised have made. It also sounds like you are blaming those who've had very real and very negative experiences of some groups of travellers for bringing this on themselves through their own bigotry. I don't doubt that Travellers experience a great deal of discrimination but some settled communities have also suffered greatly due to the actions of, what I believe are, a small minority of antisocial people who come for the Traveller community, neither of those things is ok.

What I mean by segregated is that all pervasive feeling of 'you and yours are not welcome here'. Of being watched and judged all the time. I think it must be very wearing. I think for some it means they don't disclose their heritage and for others it turns them against the non-traveller / non-Gypsy community.

I always find the tax stereotype quite amusing. I've always paid mine however I know loads of gorgers that try to pay tradesmen in cash for discount. There's even multi millionaire celebs that dodge tax even though they can damn well afford it. Perhaps Gary Barlow and Jimmy Carr are closet gypsies? And Ken Dodd if you're old!

I have to say the majority of Travellers live normal life's,are very clean people and look after and love they're children and pets.

The problem is that you don't see those ones because they don't make themselves noticeable. It's a case of the selfish spoiling it for everyone.

I have a problem with people who damage stuff, leave rubbish and worse about and ruin areas for the majority. I don't care whether they are Travellers or just ignorant louts. It's the actions I have a problem with, not the ethnicity of whoever is doing it.

Lots of public spaces round here are sprouting height or width restriction barriers and huge mounds of earth as barricades around the edge of playing fields/parks etc where barriers are unworkable. It's a shame it has come to this.

They're never given the chance to prove people otherwise and not shown any respect.

Untrue

SoupDreggon It's a shame it has to come to this.
Couldn't agree more

I'm curious to know what the implications are for the school that the OP mentioned. School security is taken seriously in most schools and visitors need badges and to be escorted on school property.

Can the school reopen after the Easter holidays with a load of people (whoever they may be) in situ?

I assume that the eviction process is no different for school sites. Therefore the school might well be very difficult to use for a number of weeks.