AIBU to find it disgusting that gypsies have taken over a school playground

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whilst attending my best friends wedding today in a little village I was horrified to see that gypsies had taken over the school playground. There was rubbish all over the floor, children and dogs running all over the place and scantily clad women puffing away.
why a school playground, these people have no morals. The poor caretaker is going to have his work cut out for him as there was at least 15 caravans!

• if I remember rightly you wrote off an entire race of people due to your experience.Telling your experience = fineWriting off a whole race of people because of it = racist

and for the whole thread worra has very cleverly told us of nothing but bad experience for twenty years presumably of different groups travellers but she has balanced this twenty years of misery..,with perhaps, a lady of roma descent perhaps..helping her with shopping once.

And whilst describing this twenty years of misery she has also balanced it out with saying she has not of course met all Roma or Gypseys or Travellers ( inspite of obv having experience of a good many during twenty long years).

Interesting work worra

Oh dear Eaten what a strange post.

I have said that I have never knowingly had a good experience with the travellers I have personally experienced - Fact.

I have pointed out that this doesn't give me or anyone else the right to write off an entire race of people - Fact.

I also pointed out that for example, a strange lady very kindly offered to help carry my shopping...to reiterate the fact that for all I or anyone else knows, she could have been a traveller, therefore proving my point that you can't write off a whole race of people due to bad experiences - Fact.

But you carry on with your strange twisting EatenEasterChocsAlready, it's rather amusing, if not a little puzzling

In fairness, I can see why people would be worried about them leaving such a mess, it's disgusting and really anti romany ways anyway. True travellers love nature and would be likely to leave the place spotless.

Sorry to take your comments as an example Morethan. But here we have someone talking about 'Romany ways', and saying 'true travellers love nature' while others are getting angry that people are trying to define them by their ethnicity or culture.

Surely you cannot accurately say 'a true Pakistani loves nature', as every person under the ethnic mantle is different. And you cannot say it about travelling people either, if they are truly a race.

It has to be one thing or the other. Racial ethnicity is not chosen; attitudes, behaviours and so on, are. Do travellers, or Roma, or Gypsies, wish to be classified by their behaviours or attitudes, or by their ethnicity?

Thwy were 'dispersed'.

No they weren't. They just grew up and realised how crap the Levellers were.

in my area there are loads of sites they still choose to take over car parks and trash them to oblivion they ripped out the bollards the last time to gain access to a forest car park it was so unnecessary as they have brand new sites with facilities to go to they just didn't want to

personally i would like the courts to be able to enforce fines if they cause damage

This thread is disgraceful. Some posters have used their subjective experiences to draw broad, overwhelmingly negative conclusions about an entire group. That is prejudice, plain and simple. But it seems that a depressingly large number of people lack the imagination to understand that.

MN never disappoints when this topic arises. The bigots are only too happy to come out of the woodwork. I really hope this thread is deleted.

Look up battle of the beanfield Psipsina....

I don't need to. I used to hang out with travellers and play those songs on the high street in the early 90s.

So why say there was no dispersal?
You must be aware there was.

I meant in a more general sense. Of course there were pockets of conflict and dispersal occurred but in general, you didn't have the police in every town on every corner arresting random people with dreads and scruffy clothes.

Dispersal seems to have taken place only really in conditions of mass gatherings, where some might argue it was warranted.

As someone not living in UK, that sounds like appalling behaviour.
As a non-UK-er, I'm curious too, Redskirt. Why are so many people posting that they don't have enough sites? Why do they have the right to camp wherever they like? If it's a "way of life" thing, well, very few people are living the way they did 100 years ago.

Being a traveller is a lifestyle choice it is not a race or ethnicity as it is not permanent nor is it a cultural heritage.

IT is a ethnicity and it is a cultural heritage. Its protected as so by law. You don't know anything about it.

it was so unnecessary as they have brand new sites with facilities to go to they just didn't want to

How do you know they didn't want to chickenfuckingpox?

There's no excuse for vandalism of course, but I'm interested as to how you know they didn't want to use the brand new sites?

Could it not have been that they were full, or they couldn't gain access for other reasons...such as rent arrears or something else?

FFS just because they're protected by some law does not mean theyre a race. A race is to do with something you can't change such as country of ancestral origin, blood type, physical looks or skin colour etc these may apply to Roma but not Irish travellers. Also why should sights be designated to them when so many people are in need of a house. If they pay taxes and assimilate into the community then they should get a sight.

House slippers
What an ignorant post, go away and do some research dear.
The nazi's murdered children if even their grandparents were Gypsy, people are BORN Gypsy, it's not a lifestyle choice, unless you are are a new age traveller.

Yes, house, of course you can change who your parents are ffs, talk about ignorant.

It's a site, but a sight, I assume they can already see
You are talking uneducated rubbish.

but = not

It is a lifestyle choice if you are Irish gypsy because there is nothing that identifies you with because gypsy. At any time you can choice not to be a traveller and go back into society.

Sexyhouseslippers, here's a link to Citizens Advice that will hopefully explain things

Sexyhouseslippers, you really don't know what you are talking about. UK law recognises Irish travellers as a distinct ethnicity.

Worra The fact that you cannot find a space on a legal site does not excuse trespass and criminal damage. And if they were in rent arrears that is an excellent reason why they should not be on the site.

Provided that they can get a mortgage or have the rent, anyone can rent or buy. Actually travelling anywhere is entirely optional.

Why do you think they were protected by law? Because they meet the criteria to be a distinct ethnic group, ffs Travellers share particular gene types, certain diseases are prevalent that are not in the wider population. Travellers are a distinct genetic group as different from the settled Irish as Icelanders are from Norwegians, and experts have found dna evidence that Travellers have a shared heritage with settled people but that they separated at some point between 1,000 and 2,000 years ago.