To wonder why EatShitDerek aka FuckitBucket has been banned?

[Arsenic]

hope she's back soon x I like her

I think I'm stuck as Lord Ferguson (or NailIt, either is fine) now too as my browser keeps crashing when I try to get into my profile/account details. Or NailIt. Suppose I'll get used to it but at the moment it takes me a while to realise someone's addressing me.

Stupid ducking Arsephone and shagged laptop

Ah yeah, I remember now. Meh. We all have different opinions. I honestly can't even remember the content of that thread other than the news story.

Also, there is a difference between "ignore and walk away" and "don't take it personally". I never do the former, and try to do the latter. I mean, sometimes it can be personal, I am human, but mostly its just words.

Absolutely Zing
I'd rather engage with a thousand Dereks than the PA faux polite derailer posting cleverly just within the guidelines with the obvious intention of goading posters until they snap and get banned for losing their temper.

With you there, Mythical.

I didn't see the thread either.

If you have been warned several times not to say "Fuck Off" (or whatever) & ignore it you can't moan if you then get sanctioned. You mat not agree with the sanction, but it's not your site.

I also agree that warnings should be sent by PM, so that the person gets them asap.

What is goady then? I agree that just because you're on the opposite site of a viewpoint isn't necessarily goady. I agree that posters are accused of being goady just for that and it doesn't make it so.

So what is it?

I think you're right mythical. Disagreeing doesn't necessarily = goading. I think sometimes people are expected to back down from their opinions of challenged and if they stand by them/try to clarify/explain further they can be accused of being goady.

IMHO a goady poster is someone posting simply to upset and antagonise other posters.
Of course sometimes is not clear cut but it is often very easy to distinguish from posters simply debating/arguing vociferously about an issue.

magi

you are right. people should be able to stop and walk away.
I PMed her to try and drag her away but she didn't reply so I was wondering if she had been in trouble by then.

She had some fucking shit thrown at her though, really nasty stuff that was worse and way more personal than her swearing (IMO) and that is very difficult to walk away from.

I think that shunning of goady fuckers would be effective. Imagine, no audience for their nonsense. They'd either mend their posting ways or leave.

Isn't this exactly what MNHQ ask us to do? And to report posters we believe have crossed the line?

the other poster was very personal. it was quite nasty too. but apparently because she didn't use swear words that made it ok.

Can somebody tell me....a few of you say you have more than one user name, how does this work. Is there a facility to pick and choose from a list of names?

Pag it was obvious.
several people realised it.
then another poster came on, taking GF's side and bloody hell it had all the signs of sockpuppeting written all over it, which made the situation much worse.

I think it's accusations of sockpuppeting (which didn't occur) that possibly got ESD suspended/banned.
I could really see her POV. If I had been chucked all that vile stuff at me I'd be gone too, because I would've been pulled into the goady vortex too.
pure "luck" I had crying kids distracting from getting over involved

Yes a goady poster is one who insists on posting to upset other people even if it means derailing threads and pursuing their own agenda. Personally I think some of the sickly faux politeness delivered when they're called on it, where they insinuate that other posters are the ones who have a problem is far more inflammatory than telling people to fuck off.
You can't report them for breaking talk guidelines but I imagine that they're wetting themselves with excitement waiting to reel someone in who might snap and get banned.

It's also easy to ignore posters on a wind up when it's not about intensely personal stuff or if you only ever approach MN when feeling relaxed and moderate.
People come here for all sorts of reasons so not everyone will always be able to just walk away.

I have encountered a few of those sooty
amd MNHQ will.do nothing because as you said they are not quite breaking the rules

Yes but that's easy to say, difficult to do. I know it and, even if one person or a few - stop posting to the goady one - there is always another one who either has just come in to the thread who posts to them unwittingly, or they just like a ruck themselves.

I wouldn't mind being called an uppity fuck if I was being that, it's more honest than reporting, I think. I don't believe that MNHQ picks up the gist of what's actually gone on in a thread, I just don't - there are nuances in there and it's a case of 'just had to have been there' - and they aren't.

Trolls don't mind being banned as they can just set up again, posters like Derek will mind because they like posting here. It's all very wrong and the reporting thing doesn't work quite as anticipated. I also believe that there is 'blanket reporting' that sometimes is a result of groups of posters not liking another one, rather than outraged posters reporting independently. Again, MNHQ wouldn't necessarily know that or be able to spot it.

Spring you can name change anytime. go to
"My account" , type in a different username, if it has never been used before just go to bottom of the page, type in your password then off you trot.

i NC all the time coz I get bored - but always use Zing. coz I is aspiring to me famous

(just don't use different aliases to back yourself up in an argument. that is sockpuppeting and gets you in trouble. plus it's a cuntish thing to do)

at being pulled into the goady vortex.

No, it isn't Ok to be nasty to someone however you do it.

Unfortunately aside from the existing rules about what's Ok and what isn't, there is stuff that gets said that should never be said, and no one does anything about it because it is very hard to draw the line unless someone uses a universally accepted obscenity. Then it is pretty clear...though sometimes this is misinterpreted and deleted when it was just banter and didn't contain hard feelings.

If you try to play the ball and not the player, you will usually stay on side. I failed on a couple of counts last night.

Springtulip Mon 23-Mar-15 11:26:10
Can somebody tell me....a few of you say you have more than one user name, how does this work. Is there a facility to pick and choose from a list of names?confused

Once you choose and save a nickname it's yours and stays attached to your account, you can name change by choosing another (i.e. making one up which no-one has taken yet).

Then your original name is still yours and you can swap back to it at any time, and so on for any amount of nicknames.

x-post with Zing.

I am far too slow, I should be banned really.

then another poster came on, taking GF's side and bloody hell it had all the signs of sockpuppeting written all over it, which made the situation much worse.

I'm sorry it came across as that. It didn't occur to me that someone would think I was just the other person back with a different name - which looking at both our posting histories yesterday would have been bloody awkward, if not impossible, to contrive.

You can't just accuse people of lying without evidence. I immediately said ask MNHQ to confirm as I knew I was genuine, but I doubt anyone did that, and it just carried on.

Ilovesooty - having seen an example of what you consider to be 'derailing' I'm not sure I agree with you. As pagwatch said, there is a difference between deliberately trying to upset someone and debating/arguing from another point of view. Sometimes people find differences in opinion upsetting but that doesn't make the poster of those opinions 'goady'.

I think having people trailing around after you and taking any opportunity to throw a jibe/insult/drag up an opinion or point made on another thread is an example of goadiness.

Absolutely, fatty. And the snidey ones are clever and know exactly what they're doing.