Its perfectly acceptable to be rude to religous people...

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Definately going to get flamed here but oh well.

I get the feeling that this is perfectly acceptable to be rude about religous people. From reading the threads on this forum, and my experiences in RL, the amount of rudeness and sometimes plain nastiness is awful.

I am religous. I don't care if people are not, if they go to church or how they live their own lives or raise their children. As far as I am concerned as long as you obey the law, do what you want.

So far I have seen people imply that all religous people are closing their childrens mind, are ignorant, bigots.... its horrible!

I don't deny that there are people who are that way and use religion as an excuse.... but quite frankly you can be ignorant and rude without religion.

I am being unreasonable to be offended, but it really bothers me that its culturally acceptable to be rude to and about people of faith. You wouldn't do it to someone from a different culture or race would you? I have never bothered anyone with my faith so please stop taking it as an insult!

(Just venting, been lambasted in RL for daring to buy my son a Noahs ark toy. I thought it was cute with all the animals etc... but apparently I am raising him to be ignorant, bigoted and stupid. He will hate gay people and women and generally be a horrible person.....apparently grrr )

Hakluyt, I think it is fair to suggest that you seem to be perfectly well able to recognise rudeness when it is directed at you, though strangely stricken blind when it is directed at others.

I want to echo Caffe's advice to 'grow a back bone and grow up...If you think that's "rude", so what? Your feelings are not particularly important so stop expecting your fellow adults to behave as if they are.'

HairyHandedFucker Wed 25-Mar-15 20:19:19
You are entitled to your beliefs, and everyone else is entitled to find them daft.

You are indeed entitled to your opinions.
But what makes you think you are entitled to bore the socks off everyone by repeating them ad nauseum? (How many times have you used the word unicorn on this thread alone?)

There is a big difference between having an opinion, and believing it is your right and duty to tell everyone about it until their eyes glaze over or they start wishing for death.

Thoughts and words are two different things. Thoughts run no risk of causing offence. Words do.

Hmm this thread comes at a prudent time.

My dc are unfortunately at a church school( no choice and no it isn't a school you'd sell a kidney to get into).

This week my dd was kicked repeatedly under the table at lunch.After repeatedly asking the child to stop she said "oh my God will you just stop". Said child then shrieked that she was using the fathers name in vain. She told her teacher who said she'd done nothing wrong.Next thing she is dragged in to be admonished by said teacher and another who said she would offend Christians and never say it again,she had to respect their beliefs.She had no apology re the kicking.

We wouldn't mind but after an Easter assembly which had the vicar giving graphic detail of the cross story finishing off with "Jesus had nails driven through his hands for you" which all of my dc found distressing( one year in church a hammer and nails were held up and knocking sounds made) my dc was told off again after being heard to tell her friend that she thought it was a load of bunkham.Her teacher said she agreed with her.

We are unmarried and atheist and prior to this in year 2 my dc were subjected to a class wedding they had to take part in.They are subjected to hours of boring and over the top assemblies and hymn practise sessions.Some of the sermons are utter crap.One basically told believers to stay away from thorns( unbelievers). One of my dc was really upset his friend wouldn't want to play with him.

Never once have school respected the beliefs of our dc or us they just inflict their own whilst being funded by our taxes.The hypocrisy and arrogance to be frank makes me feel less than inclined to be polite. What really pisses me off is the fact that if this was a Muslim school there would be uproar.

LePetit Christians and atheists alike would have problems with that kind of 'teaching'.

You describe the exact scene in my kids ( non denominational ) school. I won't say a "non faith " school, because there are no secular schools in the UK. We too had the gross descriptions of human torture and murder which left many of the 4 year olds in tears.

Your school is poorly run by people with very little formal education perhaps?

Your vicar likes the sound of his own voice perhaps? An actor manqué? Milking it for drama?

Again, if you are outraged by this (and to me your child's school sounds outrageous) why not take your anger to the political level? What good does mere rudeness achieve if another generation ends up suffering through that sort of treatment and facing the same complete lack of meaningful school choice?

Letting off steam on an individual basis is pointless.

"Hakluyt, I think it is fair to suggest that you seem to be perfectly well able to recognise rudeness when it is directed at you, though strangely stricken blind when it is directed at others."

Rudeness directed at a named individual is different to "rudeness" aka disagreement directed at a religion. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the nuance.

Thing is, if your belief system is ridiculous (as all religions are) then other people are going to think that you are silly. And if you whine and complain and demand to that your particular flavour of pixie-dust be taken seriously, you look even sillier. Your imaginary friend is your business and not mine. I don't need to know what you call it, I don't need to know what rituals you engage in, I simply don't care what you do on your own time. I'm only going to get involved in a discussion when you start it, either by bringing it up in conversation and expecting awed agreement or special treatment, or by campaigning for other people's rights to be restricted on the grounds of your primitive mythology.
And if you believe that your particular imaginary friend hates gay people, for instance, then I consider offending you my civic duty, because you are a bigoted dumbfuck.

LePetit- is it a CofE school?

Hakluyt, why don't you find three examples of someone being rude to an individual on this thread, and when you do then I will tell you you were mistaken and your examples were facts.

Speaking of rude... Yes, calling people bigoted dumbfucks is definitely going to change society for the better, make friends for the cause of a secular society, influence people, yada yada yada.

Anyone interested in the cause of secularism might be justified in thinking 'with friends like SGB, who needs enemies?'

Solid what gives you the authority to determine what is ridiculous or silly? And who is talking about belief in pixies or any dust associated with them?

As for sharing beliefs, people do it because they are interested in other people, they are attempting to form a connection. You could be rude or ignore them or you could share your own thoughts in a less aggressive manner...

How do you expect bigoted people to change? By just being rude to them? IMO this is not the way to change hearts and minds.

"Rudeness directed at a named individual is different to "rudeness" aka disagreement directed at a religion. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the nuance."

... and so I'm going to be gratuitously nasty to you.

SolidGoldBrass, I see that the Swift and Pope are still unchallenged in their ability to combine eloquence and satire.

Exactly.

I just don't understand why everybody has to respect somebody's fairy tale beliefs but the courtesy doesn't go both ways.Ie your belief that a thunderbolt will come out of the sky because my dd has said OMG has to be respected but my Dd's belief that it's a crock of shite doesn't.

Where I work kids say omg every second sentence,some even have it on their pencil cases but apparently my dd is offensive,yes offensive! She came home utterly confused as to why kicking isn't offensive and doesn't get a bollocking but saying OMG is because somebody is a religious zealot.

There is no respect and a shed load of hypocrisy.

Math. Easy. You to me 20.00. You to me 20.02. You to me 21.45.

Bigoted dumbfucks is rude,

Niminypiminy- what do you mean?

Yes it's CofE as is the second nearest.

It's supposedly a community school.

Basically if your child wants to stay in their community and go to school with the friends they have grown up with they have to belive the belief of others whilst their parents fund it with their taxes.

Any political parties pushing secular education?

Whose belief? LePetit, regarding the thunderbolt... Did anyone say your daughter's OMG would have offended them here? 'Crock of shite', well that is generally the type of language aimed to offend, but it is your own. Are you trying to offend?

Guess what, I'd forgive you! I understand completely why you are angry over someone kicking your daughter and this being ignored. I am a Christian.

Binky I don't make policy. Many Christians agree with equal marriage and have fought for it, by the way. Beliefs are not solely the preserve of the religious either. We all hold beliefs in the absence of all the facts about everything.

I know many Christians supported it, of course. I also know that some people did oppose on religious grounds. Note also that I didn't say Christians in my post by the way. It was just an example to explain what I meant by challenging beliefs. I also didn't say that you make policy, but I don't think that negates my point.

We do all hold beliefs which are not evidence based in some areas, but I prefer to base my beliefs on evidence as far as possible and if I realised I held strong beliefs based on no evidence I would probably change them. Or if there was little evidence I'd probably just say what I thought was right on balance, but that I didn't know. Not saying I do it 100% of time, but it is a different approach.

math - TBH I think you've now posted three yourself which were quite personally rude to Hak, which isn't really your usual style.

lepetit- have you talked to the vicar about this? Or if that doesn't work, the bishop?

Sorry as far as I am concerned it's a crock,I don't enforce that on anybody.

Disciplining a child for saying omg is uttterly wrong.She.said.nothing.wrong.

She was disciplined for not believing what the religious zealot sat opposite her belived.

many Christians have been killed by atheists, hundreds of thousands in the former Soviet Union for example, and in China Christians continue to suffer persecution that may well include murder.

I don't call being oppressed or murdered for preferring one unprovable ancient belief system over another unprovable modern belief system as being killed by atheists per se, mathanxiety, it was the failure to adhere to the modern belief system.

Ideological and doctrinal differences rather than theists.

If you want to have a Christian killed, a queue of other Christians is often available - in ex-Yugoslavia, in Rwanda/Burundi, in Northern Ireland, in El
Salvador, Ukraine and elsewhere.

Similarly, Muslims have killed more Muslims in the last thirty-five years than Jews, Christians or Western secularists could ever have managed.

The vicar( a gov),governors and HT are v religious.We have complained to the head and on gov questionnaires before.Told we can move our dc if we like and that they are a church school so basically tough shit.

Well there's sleight of hand if ever I saw it -- the commie bastards were faith filled fanatics after all. Zealots you might say.

Seriously?

That thought of yours is delusional. Do you think there may have been unicorns in the Gulag too?

You said 'religious', Binky and Christians could be included in that, are being discussed on this thread, as Christianity is a religion. Hence I thought a clarification was necessary.

There are many instances when there is only belief to go on. For example no one could ever make any plans for the future without beliefs.