Its perfectly acceptable to be rude to religous people...

[startrek90]

Definately going to get flamed here but oh well.

I get the feeling that this is perfectly acceptable to be rude about religous people. From reading the threads on this forum, and my experiences in RL, the amount of rudeness and sometimes plain nastiness is awful.

I am religous. I don't care if people are not, if they go to church or how they live their own lives or raise their children. As far as I am concerned as long as you obey the law, do what you want.

So far I have seen people imply that all religous people are closing their childrens mind, are ignorant, bigots.... its horrible!

I don't deny that there are people who are that way and use religion as an excuse.... but quite frankly you can be ignorant and rude without religion.

I am being unreasonable to be offended, but it really bothers me that its culturally acceptable to be rude to and about people of faith. You wouldn't do it to someone from a different culture or race would you? I have never bothered anyone with my faith so please stop taking it as an insult!

(Just venting, been lambasted in RL for daring to buy my son a Noahs ark toy. I thought it was cute with all the animals etc... but apparently I am raising him to be ignorant, bigoted and stupid. He will hate gay people and women and generally be a horrible person.....apparently grrr )

Are you without sin then Hakluyt have you never done anything wrong ever?

So now you're saying that it is a fact that someone called someone else a sinner, but it's ok because its true?

I would never call anyone a sinner. In the Bible it says 'those without sin throw the first stone'-specifically because no one could throw that first stone.

Doing something wrong does not equal 'sinning', if you are not religious. Sin is a religious concept.

You just implied that Hakluyt was a sinner though

I haven one things wrong, of course. But I am not a sinner. And a newborn baby is most definitely not a sinner.

OK-leave sinning out of it. Are you as pure as driven snow and never upset anyone?

Of course she does things wrong-is MN populated by the perfect?!

Depends what you mean by a 'sin', doesn't it?
Just looked it up in the dictionary:
an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.

If you don't believe there's any divine beings, then you don't believe there is such a thing as 'sin' per se.

You just said that you never call anyone a sinner. But you implied strongly that Hak was. I'm pointing out the contradiction in that.

The point being that someone religious did call someone a sinner.

Someone reported that on this thread and you highlighted that as an example of someone being rude, as well as disputing that it was a fact.

So again, how is someone reporting that they and their children were called sinners a) rude and b) not a fact (unless you're accusing them of making it up)?

A sin is an offense against God's law. There is no God, so I am not a sinner. QED.

Everyone does things wrong-whether you choose to call it sin or something else. No one is perfect. I am not singling anyone out-just mentioned Hak since she was the one to start it.

I think we are splitting hairs. I can say as a fact that no one is perfect. I can't recall ever telling them this in conversation.

And I don't understand how a baby could be called a sinner.

I am not singling anyone out-just mentioned Hak since she was the one to start it.

No - it's not splitting hairs. You gave an example of someone being rude, and said it wasn't a fact.

You can't explain why someone reporting what someone else to them is a rude thing to say, or why you think it's not a fact.

So if I call someone a bastard- even though their parents are married it is not an insult?

Same with calling someone a sinner. Those who use the term have a massive association connected with it - it is a derogatory comment.

Yes, but an atheist reporting that someone called then a sinner is, in fact, the rude one! I don't get the logic at all.

But a baby being a sinner is one of the foundations of christianity. THat we are all born with original sin. THat's why the rush to baptise an ill newborn. Otherwise why did jesus bother?

Any you truly don't see any of your comments as not designed to be derogatory? I would hate to see you if you really wanted to hurl a few insults!

THat's why the rush to baptise an ill newborn

Some of these things are way out of date. It used to be the case but by the time I went to Sunday school the vicar explained it was wrong, you did not need to do this-and that was decades ago. I expect that some Christians still think it important if they want the child welcomed to the church family.

And round in circles! Show me my derogatory statements. Then perhaps admit at least some of your examples of others being rude make no logical sense.

but an atheist reporting that someone called then a sinner is, in fact, the rude one!

Of course it was rude. I was a bit lazy and highlighted the lot rather than picking out parts.

I am off to cook the dinner. I haven't said anywhere that you were rude Binkybix and I really can't be bothered to trail back and find our whether you were or not. Hak asked for examples and I took the first I found. An interesting question is what is rudeness? Whose definition do you take? Is it not rude if the person saying it thinks they are stating fact but they are upsetting someone? We could go around in circles.

To get back to my original point-why be rude to anyone? Why not put it in polite language and if you can't say anything good don't say anything at all? On all sides. In RL I find 'smile, nod, ignore' gets me by and I never have these silly arguments!