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To want to move my horse again after just three weeks due to this person??

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Miracularity · 19/03/2015 11:13

I moved to a new yard three weeks ago. It's very small, there's only me and a couple of other liveries. The yard owner is lovely and friendly and we get on well. One of the other liveries however is a NIGHTMARE. When I arrived she introduced herself literally in the first two minutes with "Hi, I'm X. I'm down here a lot, I'm lucky as I don't have to work. OUTSIDE the home." i.e. I'm no less important than those who do work. She has grown-up children. She seemed very nice and friendly.

But she has begun interfering in an unprecedented way. Constantly telling me what I need to do/get for my horse, nagging me about the farrier, the vet, telling me I can borrow her stuff then watching me like a hawk when I'm using it (yard tools and lack of space means mine can't be accommodated yet.) Every time I make a decision about my horse (in/out, which weight rug, how much water, etc. etc. she will question criticise it which leaves me feeling constantly undermined and unsure. I've owned horses for over 20 years and I damn well know what I'm doing but she treats me as though I just bought my first one last week.

At first I appreciated her help as you do in a new place, but now it's starting to be completely overwhelming. She comes across as very passive aggressive. She seems generous with her things but she's also very quick to snatch it back iyswim?! For example, if I ask to borrow, say, her broom she will say "No because I'm going to use it." In a very determined tone. If it were me I'd probably say "Oh, sorry, I'm about to use it - do you mind waiting a couple of minutes?" It's like she's trying to exert control.

She's a member of a horse awareness group and boy, don't we know it! She has not stopped pestering me to have rugs/tack/grooming kits all marked. Fwiw I have NEVER seen this kind of marking done before. But she doesn't ask and leave it there - she tells. She has also announced that I am not allowed to ride out without a fluorescent tabard. Clearly I do if there's a reason, but if it's bright and sunny I don't always. She told me "It's MY yard and safety starts here." It's not her yard..... She also dictated that I wasn't allowed to write on my hands because she's Jewish and it upsets her (concentration camp link I had NO idea about).

She's basically very bossy and controlling and it's driving me insane. I kept my horse in today because he's been a pain to catch the last couple of days and I've barely seen him as a consequence. So he's in to be cuddled and groomed and generally spoiled fed treats. He's fine to be in, it doesn't matter a jot, he's been in for weeks before with laminitis. But oh no, there were about twenty pointed remarks this morning and constant suggestions of "Have you thought about that small field? Or that small paddock? Or have you asked..." I'd already said why he was in. She made it abundantly clear that she disagreed with my decision. To the point where she was quite sulky. She managed to catch him last night after her horse was brought in (they're out together) and she texted me a photo of her and my horse then rang me and announced that he needs to be approached from the right hand side because that works to catch him. FFS! He's my horse! I know damn well how to catch him and if he's a mood then you cannot get near him. She struck lucky.

I'm now dreading going down to the yard because it feels like I can't do anything unless she's approved it because otherwise I'm just tense waiting for criticism! Can someone PLEASE advise me? WWYD in this situation?? I am seriously considering moving but I don't want to. Help!

Does anyone recognise this sort of character??

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LadyGregory · 19/03/2015 11:20

She sounds quite incredibly interfering and dictatorial, but I would experiment with a refusal to engage before moving your horse if you're otherwise happy with the yard. Get or bring your own equipment, even if it means lugging it there and back, and say you're too busy to talk. You sound as if politeness or fear of speaking up is making you appear to welcome her input, when all it's doing is ruining your pleasure in horse ownership.

And I used to do some volunteer work with concentration camp survivors when I lived in London (school visits etc) and despite the fact I continually write reminders to myself on my hands, not one of them ever mentioned it as an issue. And these were people who had Auschwitz tattoos themselves, which I'm assuming the Queen of the Livery Yard doesn't.

FenellaFellorick · 19/03/2015 11:21

stop borrowing her stuff and start being assertive.

I'm happy with my choice, thank you

If I need any advice, I'll be sure to come to you, thanks.

It's your yard? You mean you are in business with X?

She won't change. You have to change how you deal with her.

Firstly you stop giving a shit what she thinks about you or what she says. You stop giving her any upper hand by not using her stuff. And you stop being tense about it because she has no more power than you hand over to her.

If you aren't comfortable with that (and not everyone is) then perhaps go to the owner and say look, I am seriously considering moving because of this person, would it be easier for you if I just went or would you prefer to have a word with her?

LadyGregory · 19/03/2015 11:21

And why does she have your phone number???

londonrach · 19/03/2015 11:24

Sounds like she needs or job or another interest. Ok stop borrowing her items, and just tell her you happy with your decision re horse decisions. Is she always in the yard? Any chance you can have quiet word with owner of yard.

GraysAnalogy · 19/03/2015 11:24

Instead of moving your horse you need to start being more assertive, it'll do you and your horse a world of good in the long run.

She sounds terrible, how have you not snapped yet, you must be very patient and nice.

SaucyJack · 19/03/2015 11:29

You need to stop borrowing her stuff for starters.

Block her number and stop engaging with her at all. Give her evasive answers to any questions so she can't criticise her decisions.

Miracularity · 19/03/2015 11:34

Ok, I can see I need to stop borrowing her stuff :) That makes sense.

I haven't snapped because I hope that she's just micro-managing in a kind way..... But she looked so put out this morning that I wasn't going with her decision that it really irritated me!

I also get loooong texts telling me what to do in terms of the field and once berating me for leaving my horse without water! I replied and said that I would NEVER do that and it turned out someone else had got my horse in unbeknown to me and hadn't noticed there was no water bucket (dark at yard) and I hadn't filled it that morning because there was no water on the yard!!

Arghhhh Angry

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thelaststripe · 19/03/2015 11:35

Haha, I'd say there's a person like her in every livery yard I'm afraid. Just be positive in what you're doing, and politely explain to her that it's your horse, and you'll care for him as necessary

FenellaFellorick · 19/03/2015 11:35

she could be micromanaging in a saintly way and it's still not her place to do so and she needs telling.

If only she was half as concerned with your feelings as you are with hers, you wouldn't be in this situation, eh? Grin But unreasonable people never give the same consideration, so reasonable people end up getting walked all over until they finally snap.

GraysAnalogy · 19/03/2015 11:36

Just be firm with her, tell her what you've told us (20 years with horses etc) and whilst you appreciate her input it's not needed and you'd like to just enjoy your time with your horse. Good luck, people like her are a pain in the arse - and you get them everywhere!

RabbitsarenotHares · 19/03/2015 11:48

A slightly off-the-wall idea, but if I were you I'd develop an interest in learning a language, and take an iPod full of language lessons with you down to the yard. You know the type that you have to repeat what is said...? Just to make it obvious that you are listening to something, and engaging in it, and thus you really don't have time for conversation / being told what to do.

Ok, so it's a tad passive-agressive, and she won't like being ignored, but it might help. And if you keep it up for a few weeks it might help break the habit.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 19/03/2015 12:05

Gosh - she sounds like a nightmare.

I'd stop borrowing her equipment for starters & start bringing my own. If she sends long texts to you all you need to do is reply "Thanks" or "Thank you" and don't engage any further with her by text. It must drive her dollally if after typing a huge message all she gets in return is one or two words.
As Fenella suggested, especially if she comes out with "It's my yard", come back with "So you're in business with X then?" and she can only say "Yes" or "No" to that so you'll know where you stand. Also if she is making tending to your horse less enjoyable I would consider approaching the yard owner and saying that you're considering moving out of their yard unless something can be done about this woman.

Best of luck getting it sorted so you can enjoy your horse!

Miracularity · 19/03/2015 12:06

Ha ha Rabbits! I actually do need to brush up on my Spanish for my job!

Thanks everyone :) I think I just snapped this morning - had ENOUGH.

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loveareadingthanks · 19/03/2015 12:27

Oh the self-appointed yard manager. Uh huh. Lots of yards have one and you have been lucky not to encountered this before. You know those really bossy 4 year old girls who normally grow out of it? These are the ones who don't grow out of it. Deal with it in the same way - amused but firm.

Stop borrowing her stuff ever.
Reward normal behaviour by being friendly, and don't reward bossy behaviour by paying the slightest attention to it. Practise some standard responses and deliver them in a bored voice - 'I'm happy with my decision, thank you.' 'So you've said, but I'm happy with my decision, thank you.' 'That's how you do things but I prefer X'.

SunnyBaudelaire · 19/03/2015 12:36

yes we had a self appointed yard manager at the place where DDpony used to live - there is always one! this one does sound particularly amusing though.
Agree with others - do not borrow her stuff , EVER and practice your best 'amused but not bothered' smile for her.

if she comes with 'it's my yard' pull her up! Say is it really? Are you in business with so and so then? who owns the buildings?

SunnyBaudelaire · 19/03/2015 12:39

oh and do not even think about moving your poor horse again!
you have to assert yourself with these people.

I remember once we were fitting a saddle, onto DDPony, I was a professional groom years ago so do know what I am doing, and this girl/woman was literally ignoring anything I said, and would not even look at me or listen to a word i said! and it was our pony and I was paying!

Later I realised she was a sad bullied child inside.

Boysclothes · 19/03/2015 12:45

Well, she basically sounds like every other overbearing jewish mother in the world. It comes from a good place, a place of anxiety that things won't be ok if they don't step in. No doubt it's kindly meant.

You just have to be really really firm and direct. She will not be offended. She will push back and that will then be your relationship, and hopefully you'll come to look on her with fondness!

bonzo77 · 19/03/2015 12:56

boys can you rephrase that: how about "she's just like lots of other overbearing people"? I find the reference to Jews and even to mothers stereotyping and offensive. Which I'm sure was not your intention Grin.

Ifyourawizardwhydouwearglasses · 19/03/2015 12:56

Just completely disengage. If you have to reply to a text, reply with 'K' not even 'ok'

When she's talking to at you, if you can't escape then just stare into space absentmindedly, then reply with 'hmm, what? Oh yes, completely' and then change the subject to something totally unconnected and boring. Make it obvious you're paying no attention at all. Or do a tinkly laugh and then 'haha, you are funny!' particularly if what she said was in no way so.

If you try to argue with her itll end in tears. Just disengage and be politely rude.

SunnyBaudelaire · 19/03/2015 12:59

as for the writing on the hands, the Auschwitz tattoos were on the forearm so that is bollocks.

Boysclothes · 19/03/2015 13:07

Bonzo, in reality though it (being overbearing, over anxious, too direct) is a trait shared disproportionately by Jewish women! Myself included.

Boysclothes · 19/03/2015 13:09

I mean, I was tempted to just reply to the OP "Mazel tov, you've met someone jewish. Welcome to our world". But thought it might get deleted!

EauRouge · 19/03/2015 13:10

I'd write 'FUCK OFF' on my hand and wave every time she spoke to me.

Honestly, she sounds like a total nightmare. Can you have a word woth the yard owner about her? Sorry, I'm not a horse person so don't know whether this would help or not. Good luck, anyway.

TwartFaceBeetj · 19/03/2015 13:18

haha I know the sort. They hang about whilst you are grooming /mucking...... telling you what you need know. And can seem to get really angry when you disagree/don't do or question there wisdom.
Agree with pp practice answers, put head phones on, and be prepared swot up on any supplements you use or behaviour management/physio basically anything she can have an opinion on.

Our self appointed yard manager started on about the supplement I use because of the type of glucosamine (not that there is much difference between them just he seems better with it). I explained why I used that particular glucosamine. She was enraged I thought that their were different types of glucosamine and pretty much called me stupid, and harped on about there only being one glucosamine. I just got my phone out found appropriate page handed her the phone and left her to read it in embarrassment.

Good luck, don't move yard unless all else previous pp suggested fails.

Scandinavian1 · 19/03/2015 13:19

I'm a yard owner. I'd absolutely not stand for this kind of shit from a livery, but then DH and I are both hands on and involved daily in our yard. Is the yard owner not around? Unfortunately power abhors a vacuum is very true in the horsey world and self appointed yard managers will always step into that role if they can. Do bring your own barrow/future fork/broom, make sure you wear headphones when you see this woman and be busy and disinterested. I expect she's a pain to everyone. It's a shame the yard owners haven't got rid.