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To want to move my horse again after just three weeks due to this person??

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Miracularity · 19/03/2015 11:13

I moved to a new yard three weeks ago. It's very small, there's only me and a couple of other liveries. The yard owner is lovely and friendly and we get on well. One of the other liveries however is a NIGHTMARE. When I arrived she introduced herself literally in the first two minutes with "Hi, I'm X. I'm down here a lot, I'm lucky as I don't have to work. OUTSIDE the home." i.e. I'm no less important than those who do work. She has grown-up children. She seemed very nice and friendly.

But she has begun interfering in an unprecedented way. Constantly telling me what I need to do/get for my horse, nagging me about the farrier, the vet, telling me I can borrow her stuff then watching me like a hawk when I'm using it (yard tools and lack of space means mine can't be accommodated yet.) Every time I make a decision about my horse (in/out, which weight rug, how much water, etc. etc. she will question criticise it which leaves me feeling constantly undermined and unsure. I've owned horses for over 20 years and I damn well know what I'm doing but she treats me as though I just bought my first one last week.

At first I appreciated her help as you do in a new place, but now it's starting to be completely overwhelming. She comes across as very passive aggressive. She seems generous with her things but she's also very quick to snatch it back iyswim?! For example, if I ask to borrow, say, her broom she will say "No because I'm going to use it." In a very determined tone. If it were me I'd probably say "Oh, sorry, I'm about to use it - do you mind waiting a couple of minutes?" It's like she's trying to exert control.

She's a member of a horse awareness group and boy, don't we know it! She has not stopped pestering me to have rugs/tack/grooming kits all marked. Fwiw I have NEVER seen this kind of marking done before. But she doesn't ask and leave it there - she tells. She has also announced that I am not allowed to ride out without a fluorescent tabard. Clearly I do if there's a reason, but if it's bright and sunny I don't always. She told me "It's MY yard and safety starts here." It's not her yard..... She also dictated that I wasn't allowed to write on my hands because she's Jewish and it upsets her (concentration camp link I had NO idea about).

She's basically very bossy and controlling and it's driving me insane. I kept my horse in today because he's been a pain to catch the last couple of days and I've barely seen him as a consequence. So he's in to be cuddled and groomed and generally spoiled fed treats. He's fine to be in, it doesn't matter a jot, he's been in for weeks before with laminitis. But oh no, there were about twenty pointed remarks this morning and constant suggestions of "Have you thought about that small field? Or that small paddock? Or have you asked..." I'd already said why he was in. She made it abundantly clear that she disagreed with my decision. To the point where she was quite sulky. She managed to catch him last night after her horse was brought in (they're out together) and she texted me a photo of her and my horse then rang me and announced that he needs to be approached from the right hand side because that works to catch him. FFS! He's my horse! I know damn well how to catch him and if he's a mood then you cannot get near him. She struck lucky.

I'm now dreading going down to the yard because it feels like I can't do anything unless she's approved it because otherwise I'm just tense waiting for criticism! Can someone PLEASE advise me? WWYD in this situation?? I am seriously considering moving but I don't want to. Help!

Does anyone recognise this sort of character??

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TeenagersDriveMeMad · 19/03/2015 13:19

I thought you were on my old yard until I got to the bit about the mad bat woman being Jewish!

I left in the end as the situation was making me ill, I was having panic attacks if I was at the yard and she turned up and ended up doing the absolute minimum with my horse so I could be done and gone before she arrived. The massive cunting twatbadger women in my case has actually bullied a further 4 owners (9 horses) off the yard since me; which is hilarious as she doesn't even pay livery to the YO for her two horses.

In your shoes I'd give it 3-4 weeks of refusing to engage before making a decision. Horses are expensive though, and you should be enjoying your time with your boy, so if you have to move again to be happy it won't be the end of the world.

FWIW I'm now on an amazing yard with only 2 other liveries (who I never see) that I wouldn't have found had I not left hellish yard.

EvilTendency1 · 19/03/2015 13:28

And you have flushed out the yard nutter (YN).

Unfortunately as your horses are out together, you can't completely avoid the pain in the arse.

Stop chatting to her, smile and nod when walking in, then carry on with your own horse, if she buts in say 'Thanks, but I'm doing it this way.' And carry on with said activity.

I've had my fair share of these nutters over the years but always distance myself rapidly.

Not a surprise perhaps the yard vacancy was in a field to be shared with her ? ;)

bimandbam · 19/03/2015 13:35

I find the old adage 'well opinions are like arseholes love. Everyones got one but I don't really need to know about yours' usually works.

Or nod and smile and uh uh in all the right places and then do whatever you want to do with your.horse.

Or give her something to really get her teeth into and make up a load of crap. 'Oh he is in for the day because I can hear the grass growing. And I don't want him to get stressed listening to it' 'yes I am brushing him. It looks like a bodybrush but its actually made from the tail hair of virgin yaks so promotes positive healing instead of damaging his epiderm like normal brushes' 'well it looks like I am going for a ride but in actual fact I am communicating telepathically through my arsebone and resolving his internal conflict from being gelded'.

That might just push her over the edge and she might melt in a heap or quietly implode.

EvilTendency1 · 19/03/2015 13:38

bimandbam

Oh my goodness, that has made me spit my coffee out, complete with tears.

I can just imagine the look on YN's face 'stress from hearing the grass grow'

Brilliant.

seabream · 19/03/2015 13:49

Can you ask for your horse to be put into a different field so you don't have to share with hers? That way she will not have any real reason to contact you. If your horse is being tricky to catch, perhaps he might be better off turned out alone anyway (a good excuse to use if asked one way or the other!).
If you like the yard, just ignore her, don't have anything to do with her or her stuff, and try to go down when she isn't likely to be there. I've been on so many yards over the years; the resident nutter is a given on most. My current yard has some annoying aspects, but the lack of a true nutter is a blessing!
I was once on a big, quite fancy dressage focused yard where one woman refused to ever ride her horse in daylight, or ever turn him out. He was a huge black warmblood with terrible feet, and my theory for why she would only ride him at around 11pm was so no one else would actually witness her awful riding. Poor horses. Then there are the thieves, the bully with anger issues, the couple who announced they are into swinging, the parents who use the yard a free childcare, the "natural horsemanship" nutters who tut if you actually ride, train, and gasp in outrage if your horse is on the bit.

And breath...!!! Wink

TwartFaceBeetj · 19/03/2015 13:50

bimandbam we have someone on our yard that would genuinely say something like that. She is classed as the YN, and her and the SAYM give each other a very wide berth Grin

bimandbam · 19/03/2015 14:05

Sometimes beating the yns at their own game is the only thing that works.

owlonabike · 19/03/2015 14:26

seabream, I need to know what a warm blood is. Does "terrible feet" mean he didn't walk in a nice dressagey way, or did he actually have overgrown hooves or summat? Pleeease satisfy my curiosity about scary creatures horses.

LadyGregory · 19/03/2015 14:27

This thread is great. But for a person whose only knowledge of horses is reading the occasional Diana Pullein-Thompson pony story aged twelve, what exactly is a 'huge black warmblood' - don't all horses have warm blood? It sounds slightly dragonish. Maybe that's why he only comes out at night Grin

LadyGregory · 19/03/2015 14:28

Snap, owlonabike!

SunnyBaudelaire · 19/03/2015 14:31

lol at you non horsey people - did you not know that half the fun of horses is the esoteric vocab that goes with them?
I imagine 'terrible feet' might mean that the hoof stuff is soft and cannot hold the horse shoe nails on, therefore the shoe drops off. See how I simplified that for you poor dears?

LadyGregory · 19/03/2015 14:34

Sunny, I once lurked on the Tack Room bit of Mn, intrigued by the arcane vocabulary, but retreated frightened by everyone's competence, jodhpurs and ability to do dressage.

SunnyBaudelaire · 19/03/2015 14:36

haha ladygregory it is not like that up here in the sticks, it is more hi viz jackets wellies and thelwell ponies

Poledra · 19/03/2015 14:45

Warmbloods

Don't know about his feet though - maybe they were stinky?Grin

TeenagersDriveMeMad · 19/03/2015 15:43

There are many variations of bad feet, though it generally comes down to diet. Horses need high fibre, and low sugar. Bloodlines (the parents/grandparents of the horse) can influence feet as well - a good example of this is in Thoroughbreds (racehorses) where they've been bred for speed with little/no thought going into how the rest of the horse is put together, leading to rubbish feet in horses being referred to as 'Thoroughbred feet'.

You can have hooves that are soft and crumbly so shoes will be pulled off easily. Every time a shoe is pulled off by the horse/mud/not a competent person the nails will rip quite a lot of hoof wall off.

Some hooves are flared, some are boxy and upright, some horses have under-run heels, and there might be cracks in the hoof. There are medical conditions relating to hoof health too, such as white line disease and thrush.

A horse can have thin soles (like mine) so that walking over rocky ground hurts them if they aren't used to it and their soles haven't hardened up.
If the farrier doesn't come out often enough the hooves will get too long and flare, and normally crack up the flare.

There's a reason that a saying is no hoof, no horse.

Please come and visit the Tack Room, I promise we're devoid of Yard Nutters and don't bite! Smile

Miracularity · 19/03/2015 15:49

Wow! Loads of advice, thank you! :)
Shall we set up a YN support group?! I just went down to check on him and only the owner was around - it was so great Smile I thought about saying something but decided against it. I mean, it's my problem so I'll give the MN maseeeev approach a try first Wink

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trufflesnout · 19/03/2015 16:00

God I don't miss livery. I don't have much more to add because I'm very tired lots of other people have given the same advice I would. I'd ignore her texts from now on too. In fact, I'd be ignoring her a lot Grin

trufflesnout · 19/03/2015 16:04

Bonzo, in reality though it (being overbearing, over anxious, too direct) is a trait shared disproportionately by Jewish women! Myself included.

Mm. But not by me.

Chesntoots · 19/03/2015 16:06

No yard would be complete without a Yard Nutter!

At least they keep the rest of us entertained...

I used to be on one where she would swan down in perfect cream kids, a scarf (Hepburn style - seriously!) and immaculate hair and make up. It was like something from a "Jill" book. I only ever saw her actually ride about half a dozen times in eight years. She spent most of her time drinking tea and imparting her "wisdom".

Pixel · 19/03/2015 18:57

Yep we've got one too. She imagines she runs the place (when really she just pays rent the same as the rest of us) and she's actually told new people that she's in charge. She's a stirrer too and tries to wind people up and pitch them against each other. Thankfully we've all been here long enough to get wise to her little games and ignore but she has caused lots of bad feeling in the past.

If she sends long texts to you all you need to do is reply "Thanks" or "Thank you" and don't engage any further with her by text. It must drive her dollally if after typing a huge message all she gets in return is one or two words.

Yes, did this and it did work. She never sends me texts now Wink.

Miracularity · 19/03/2015 19:01

Ah ha ha! A 'Jill' book! I LOVED those. That reminds me, there was one girl like that on my last yard. She seriously wore white competition jodhs as daily wear and she was always immaculately made up. She was a sweet, sweet girl and very new to horses. Then one day she didn't wear make up and I saw that she had very freckled skin. She looked delightfully pretty but the poor thing obviously hated it :(

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Miracularity · 19/03/2015 19:05

I turned him out in a small paddock today at 3pm and dumped a load of hay on the ground for him on top of older stuff (belonging to the YN, nowhere suitable for net). I brought him in at 4:30pm and he hadn't touched it too busy trying to get through the electric fence so I gathered it all up again and shoved it into my haynet and I genuinely was afraid that YN was going to swoop down on me and accuse me of stealing her hay :( She didn't though, I should add.

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trufflesnout · 19/03/2015 19:31

Why eat hay when there's electric tape to force yourself through?

She sounds like one big ball of stress, ignore her as much you can. Is there no alternate turnout? Do your two have to be out together?

MomentOfWonder · 19/03/2015 19:57

I'm so sorry to derail your thread, but as someone who hasn't ridden regularly for years thank you for bringing it all back via the mention of the 'Jill' books! And I hope that things improve at the yard...

MyHaloIsChokingMe · 19/03/2015 20:00

You always get one todger on a yard. I mastered the art of nodding and smiling for a lot for years. We had one zoomer who used to try and hold a conversation about her fucking nutter of a horse with me at 5.30am when I was half asleep, rushing to get the horses done and get back home to get showered and get to work. Then there was the 'expert' who'd owned horses for 6 months who tried to advise me my horses should be barefoot, not to rug them in winter and they REALLY didn't need that much hard feed in winter. I won't even tell you about the ex teacher. I'm bloody glad we managed to buy somewhere with fields and I now have only myself to please. It's bliss Grin. There's nothing worse than not being happy on a yard though. Give it a bit more time OP and start to answer her back OP it's only been 3 weeks. Some people need a little bit of training in what's acceptable and not to overstep other people's boundaries Wink

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