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To want to move my horse again after just three weeks due to this person??

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Miracularity · 19/03/2015 11:13

I moved to a new yard three weeks ago. It's very small, there's only me and a couple of other liveries. The yard owner is lovely and friendly and we get on well. One of the other liveries however is a NIGHTMARE. When I arrived she introduced herself literally in the first two minutes with "Hi, I'm X. I'm down here a lot, I'm lucky as I don't have to work. OUTSIDE the home." i.e. I'm no less important than those who do work. She has grown-up children. She seemed very nice and friendly.

But she has begun interfering in an unprecedented way. Constantly telling me what I need to do/get for my horse, nagging me about the farrier, the vet, telling me I can borrow her stuff then watching me like a hawk when I'm using it (yard tools and lack of space means mine can't be accommodated yet.) Every time I make a decision about my horse (in/out, which weight rug, how much water, etc. etc. she will question criticise it which leaves me feeling constantly undermined and unsure. I've owned horses for over 20 years and I damn well know what I'm doing but she treats me as though I just bought my first one last week.

At first I appreciated her help as you do in a new place, but now it's starting to be completely overwhelming. She comes across as very passive aggressive. She seems generous with her things but she's also very quick to snatch it back iyswim?! For example, if I ask to borrow, say, her broom she will say "No because I'm going to use it." In a very determined tone. If it were me I'd probably say "Oh, sorry, I'm about to use it - do you mind waiting a couple of minutes?" It's like she's trying to exert control.

She's a member of a horse awareness group and boy, don't we know it! She has not stopped pestering me to have rugs/tack/grooming kits all marked. Fwiw I have NEVER seen this kind of marking done before. But she doesn't ask and leave it there - she tells. She has also announced that I am not allowed to ride out without a fluorescent tabard. Clearly I do if there's a reason, but if it's bright and sunny I don't always. She told me "It's MY yard and safety starts here." It's not her yard..... She also dictated that I wasn't allowed to write on my hands because she's Jewish and it upsets her (concentration camp link I had NO idea about).

She's basically very bossy and controlling and it's driving me insane. I kept my horse in today because he's been a pain to catch the last couple of days and I've barely seen him as a consequence. So he's in to be cuddled and groomed and generally spoiled fed treats. He's fine to be in, it doesn't matter a jot, he's been in for weeks before with laminitis. But oh no, there were about twenty pointed remarks this morning and constant suggestions of "Have you thought about that small field? Or that small paddock? Or have you asked..." I'd already said why he was in. She made it abundantly clear that she disagreed with my decision. To the point where she was quite sulky. She managed to catch him last night after her horse was brought in (they're out together) and she texted me a photo of her and my horse then rang me and announced that he needs to be approached from the right hand side because that works to catch him. FFS! He's my horse! I know damn well how to catch him and if he's a mood then you cannot get near him. She struck lucky.

I'm now dreading going down to the yard because it feels like I can't do anything unless she's approved it because otherwise I'm just tense waiting for criticism! Can someone PLEASE advise me? WWYD in this situation?? I am seriously considering moving but I don't want to. Help!

Does anyone recognise this sort of character??

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Pixel · 22/03/2015 00:52

Why is she feeding your horse anyway? I wouldn't be happy with another livery doing that unless I'd arranged it (unless of course it was part-livery and a staff member was doing it). She sounds like the sort of person who will take it upon herself to bung in a bit extra because 'you aren't feeding him enough'.
Does she feed all the other horses too or is she just muscling in on yours?

trufflesnout · 22/03/2015 01:07

Sounds like she's just doing the morning feed Pixel, is it not usual for whoevers at the yard first to give all horses their (usually made up by owners the night before) breakfast? It's been the norm on nearly all of the smaller yards I've been at.

SoleSource · 22/03/2015 01:22

Petty cow with far too much time on her heads. Give her the silent treatment, life s too short. Say to her you don't have time to Bitch and be as petty as er AS I GO TO WORK.

AlpacaLypse · 22/03/2015 01:37

I do dogs and children and cats, and would not accept anyone else's interference on any of these. Why should you?

Tell the actual owner/manager of this yard what you've told us, give her/him seven days to deal with it, then, if no satisfactory reply, move.

TheCatsFlaps · 22/03/2015 01:53

Send her some PritStick. She'll understand.

Plomino · 22/03/2015 08:55

I had one of these at my last yard too . Despite having had horses for over 20 years she felt compelled to comment on every small fucking thing from what my horse wore to the 'over exercising' - she was an endurance horse ffs , you don't get to do the Golden horseshoe just riding round the fucking block - to what she ate. In the end , I downloaded a French language course onto my ipod , and would do the yard stuff loudly proclaiming ' le soleil brillait dans un ciel bleu' or similar every time she was in view. Drove her nuts and she left me alone . Great !

carabos · 22/03/2015 09:15

This isn't really about horses or the yard. This woman has a small life with no power, and has managed to find a milieu in which she can make herself feel bigger. Sadly, there are an awful lot of these types in horses.

I'm currently talking DH (horse professional) down from the ledge because he's having one of those "I can't be around these people any more" moments - not good when it's your career. All because on the yard yesterday, our YN told the usual pack of lies about the latest incident - me, me, me. The whole place was in low-level turmoil while she made sure that every single person was in some way sucked in, and pissed off.

To be brutally frank, you're going to have be very rude to her to make her back off - and I mean probably ruder than you've ever been to anyone. It's the only thing that works.

giraffesNeedBigPoloNecks · 22/03/2015 09:31

Just ignore her totally. Anything she says just say "ok" and turn away.

Miracularity · 22/03/2015 21:11

I've left. Things took a literally unbelievable turn.

First was the text msg from YN:

"Hi Miracularity and X, I have already bought the wormer in anticipation of Ys visit. You now both owe me £20 per horse. Mirac - just a heads up that the farrier ought to be paid on the day, esp for a first time Saturday favour."

  • worming had never been discussed with me
  • I do not know who Y is
  • I have been dealing with farriers all my life and I am well aware of the etiquette.
  • it was not a favour, I booked him!!

So I wasn't happy about that and I investigated another yard yesterday but I hadn't made any decisions. Then this morning I woke up to a message from the yard manager telling me that YN no longer wants my horse turned out with hers (!!!!!) for no reason at all so could I keep him in the stable end of the yard. There is literally no grazing there whatsoever, it's a mud pit. But this was apparently fine for my horse Angry And it meant that he would be completely alone at all times Hmm So I snapped and organised for him to be moved today. It was nice, we tacked up and my DD rode him to the new yard, which is more than quadruple the price but The YM is lovely and the facilities are great. My boy will be happy :)

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trufflesnout · 22/03/2015 21:19

Excellent! Your horse is a lucky boy. I'd pay 10 times as much to be rid of YN in your shoes Grin

ARoomWithoutAView · 22/03/2015 21:20

She is a bully. Stand up to her, bullies don't like that.

TwartFaceBeetj · 22/03/2015 21:24

Oh. I'm mixed anger and relief for you. What a horrible woman and the actual yard owner doesn't sound much better.

What an absolute bitch. I hope you left with your head held high, and it shocked the yard owner that you had already made arrangements to leave.

Flowers definitely better off away from there!

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 22/03/2015 21:29

Happy horse and the new yard is brilliant!

YN is a twat, hope she falls over a pile of shit face first.

Chesntoots · 22/03/2015 21:40

Well when there is only the YO and YN left it will be very cozy.

That's what happened basically on the yard I was on. She tried her best to get rid of me but I am very stubborn. We ended up having a screaming row and half way through the row we realised that the owners had basically been playing us of against eachother. Neither if us knew. I left to go to a yard with better facilities and she went nit long after.

I hope you settle in at your new yard and give your horse a kiss from me (horse noses are soooo kissable!)

AndHarry · 22/03/2015 21:45

What did the YM say when you left?!

LadyGregory · 22/03/2015 21:46

Good for you. But do feed back to the original yard owner exactly why you left so quickly.

Miracularity · 22/03/2015 22:06

She said that grazing was not an issue as fields had been redefined. Which doesn't address the actual problem of there being no grass......Hmm And then she said that she would never force one livery to share a field with another against their wishes?! No reason for my boy being excluded was ever offered. And he's honestly the sweetest horse. A bit nervy, but gentle and kind.

The YM was actually the daughter of the owners, who are lovely. So I was quite short with her but I wrote a nice, honest message to the owners saying how sorry I was and being very straight about why I'd left. I doubt it will make any difference but at least there will be a record of why I left. And I don't know if previous liveries have cited the same issues......

I'm very excited about his new yard! He's had to go on part livery because they just do not offer anything else, but to be honest work is about to get very busy for me so whilst it wouldn't be my preference, it will have its advantages.

And yes to whoever said about kissable noses - I completely agree and kiss his all the time!! Smile

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bumbleymummy · 22/03/2015 22:06

Glad you found somewhere lovely :) I love this time of year - you want to be able to enjoy it without worrying about all that sort of nonsense!

RelaxedLil · 22/03/2015 22:15

My goodness, that sounds so like a yard I was at once. It was really basic, DIY and cheap, but I mistakenly thought peaceful (being very rural). I soon realised there were liveries that had been there for years and were very set in their ways, and of course there was the usual nutter one who everyone else seemed to inexplicably run around after. Things were peaceful until I got an irate text message about not clearing out the empty stable I had used for my horse overnight in time for nutter livery to use it during the day - the difference being that I paid for full use of a stable but had not officially taken it over yet, and she did not pay for a stable at all.

Next I had to keep my horse in the worst field on the yard, miles away from the stabling, despite being one of the few that paid extra for stabling. I also had to cart all the leftover haylage that the other liveries had left in it to go mouldy by wheelbarrow. I used to turn all the horses out each morning because their owners wouldn't bother turning up til midday and after one of them got colic, I felt sorry for them.

I made some enquiries about other yards, the yard owners found out and basically threw me out - well they gave me notice til the end of the week. I was going to give them a proper month's notice too! They made strange remarks about how I didn't know much about looking after horses, when I too have had horses all my life, including at home when I was growing up. I had so much stuff go "missing" there too, rugs, tack, buckets, wheelbarrows, you name it, they walked. YO didn't believe me and I was "discouraged" from mentioning it by being told I was forgetful or mistaken!

Goodness knows why I stayed so long, it was a dangerous yard under the surface as there was no proper water supply for washing wounds, the fencing was dangerous, gates used to be mysteriously left open and blamed on me, other liveries didn't turn up to see their horses for days, etc. It was weird!

bimandbam · 23/03/2015 11:55

One of the biggest issues with horse ownership these days is that since farmers started turning fields into livery facilities the cost of owning a horse has dropped. Which means any nutter who had lessons for 6 months when they were kids and bought Horse and Pony magazine can afford to buy and keep there very own dream pony.

The reality is that they don't have the knowledge. So feel compelled to fake knowledge usually gleaned from forums and fb groups and inflict it in the rest of us genuine horse folk. Add to that farmers that don't really get involved on the diy yards and just want paying at the end of the month and you get a group of (predominantly) women with vast gaps in their knowledge inflicting their personalities on each other.

You get the same group of people moving from yard to yard in the area upsetting everyone in their path. Then you get the longterm liveries who will always be put first aa they are usually good payers. Chuck a few YOs on a power trip into the mix and you have hell in a feed room lol.

I am lucky that my bestmate owns the yard I am on so we laugh about the nutters that come and go. But I have moved house and may possibly need to move the ponies closer to home. Dreading all this.

Going to keep putting the lottery on.

seabream · 23/03/2015 12:26

In my experience, the more professional (and, sadly, expensive) the yard, the better the experience as a livery. Unless you are very lucky to find somewhere small and friendly, the more basic livery yards attract nutters and as they tend to be run with a light or non-existent touch, said nutters are allowed to run riot.
And don't get me started on the people who never ride their horses and tut at you when you do a flying change.....

TwartFaceBeetj · 23/03/2015 13:47

Not sure if agree entirely.... Having owned and worked with horses nearly all my life.
I don't see the mix change, there were always farmers letting fields and buildings. To a few people. Some where inexperienced then. Some had no yard nutters some did. Working on different yards I find sometimes the more expensive the bitchier and competitive. I've always thought horses is very bitchy rumour mongering world, in competitive circles, hunting, full livery and diy liverys.

It's is and always has been pot luck. I'm lucky enough to be on a very nice big diy yard. Apart from the YN and SAYM who are both quite harmless. Everyone else just gets on with there own horse and chats here and there. It's loverly and a relief and I won't be moving anytime soon, because a yard like this, is like gold dust and always has been few and far between.

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