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To privately not have much respect for a lot of teachers

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parsnipandmushroom · 18/03/2015 18:52

Obviously I would never communicate this to a child, but when the "teacher knows best" lines emerge on here I often think 'no, they don't.'

I've known so many teachers make numerous basic errors with resources, and give children the wrong information. This wouldn't actually bother me much but coupled with the complaints about pay, working hours and stress, I do often think 'stop whining.'

So I am not accused of being a troll - I only mean some teachers, and so I'm not accused of drip feeding information, I am a teacher.

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OP posts:
Binkybix · 19/03/2015 22:23

Out of interest, what happens when you challenge your management on lack of resources?

VelvetRuby · 19/03/2015 23:12

Yes, it's a lot to do with the quality of the management in a school. My friend works in a school and is very happy in her work as are her colleagues. They have a fantastically supportive headteacher who is very caring and supportive and they all love teaching.

noblegiraffe · 19/03/2015 23:25

I've been banging on to my boss since September about the lack of vital teaching equipment in my classroom.

No budget, no can do.

chilephilly · 20/03/2015 06:52

I've only read bits of the thread.
I've spent quite a lot of time this week helping a young man in my year group with issues he has. Last night when talking to his mum when I explained how school would help financially, but he'd also been naughty and there would be a consequence, she shouted at me and slammed the phone down.
I have no respect for people like this.

HagOtheNorth · 20/03/2015 06:59

'Out of interest, what happens when you challenge your management on lack of resources?'

In primary, it tends to mean that you end up buying what you need, and you often have boxes of resources at home, along with other essentials.
Bought 90 pencils on the market once and the stall-holder said 'You must be a teacher' Yes, because no other profession would be buying their own essentials and not being able to claim back.

tobysmum77 · 20/03/2015 07:28

All this 'its harder in the private sector' stuff. Yeah ok then Hmm .

I left teaching and walked straight into a private sector job. It was an absolute doddle in comparison to teaching (and the same money as list threshold with top tlr2)

I'm sure some people in the private sector do work ridiculous hours, but there are also good employers.

LuluJakey1 · 20/03/2015 07:36

I think teachers work incredibly hard and it is, on the whole, a thankless task.
The government has eroded pay and conditions and professional standing of teachers. They see it as a 'learn as you do it' job and are happy for graduates to start teaching, with full responsibility for exam classes with no experience whatsoever or learning about education.
It is stressful and poorly paid for young teachers.

My DH is an Assistant Head and he has been at work from 7am until between 8pm and 9 pm every night this week without a break and then come home and marked. He will finish tonight at 5 and do no work at ho e. That's a 70 hour week without the 6 or so hours he will spend this weekend preparing and marking. He works a large proportion of school holidays- lesson prep, meetings and other things, for example he is expected to be on site to take charge of the whole building 8-4pm two weeks of the 6 weeks, managing caretakers, technicians, summer schools, cleaners, builders.

That is between £8-9 a hour after tax. You can imaging what it works out as for an NQT who will be on half his salary and work the same hours.

The best teachers do it for the passion they have for wanting the best things in life for children and because they love teaching.. The worst do it because it is a job, or because the government have given them £25000 to do a PGCE and they leave as soon as they don't have to pay the money back.The government will let anyone on a PGCE and some of them are appallng in terms of basic skills, knowledge and literay and numeracy. Recently DH wa asked by one of them ' What's Hawaii?' 23 year old PGCE student.

They also train large numbers of the wrong subjects. Northumbria Universty trains lots of PE teachers but there are very few jobs for them because less students are sudying PE in schools because they do more History, Geograpgy and MFL now - subjects like PE and Tech and Art are being squashed. So the government have goven Northumbria even more places to teach PE teachers next year. Duh! If you advertise for a Maths teacher you might get 3 applications, if you advertise for a PE teacher you get 50+ who don't have jobs several years after training and they are often not overly intelligent.

The government are stupid. Their thinking appears to be:
Can't get teachers
Give graduates a lump sum and pay their fees for PGCE. That'll get them in.

But the job is so hard and poorly paid they leave after a year or a a couple of years. Many don't ever even teach. They do the trainng and do another job instead.

The government don't seem to understand that unless you make teaching less stressful and better paid, it wll attract poor graduates or money grabbers . They take the money and run or they are just not good enough to do a fantastic job. The best are few and far between.

I am also an Assistant Head- on maternity leave with 12 week old DS and I can't believe how stress free and enjoyable my life is. We are thinking to have second DC asap and me jus to tae 6 years out. Career ruined after 15 yrs building it up but heyho, a life instead!

mytartanscarf · 20/03/2015 07:51

I have 3 jobs and I've never thought of teaching as poorly paid, I must admit. I'm one of those time wasting secondary teachers, though.

LuluJakey1 · 20/03/2015 07:52

Sorry, bit of a rant I know and written while feeding DS. Just so fed up at the state schools and children are being put in by this givernment and their ill- considered, mean policies.
DH's school has lost 4 teachers so far and will lose another 5 this year because of government cuts, never mind teaching assistant posts.

TheWordFactory · 20/03/2015 09:00

sovery you asked me upthread on what issues I find teachers out of touch.

As I say, I visit a heck of a lot of schools and am often surprised/dismayed by the lack of understanding/information/acceptance about tertiary education, especially the most selective universities, the employment market, especially the most competitive sectors.

echt · 20/03/2015 09:04

WordFactory If it's at school level, it's down to SLT, not the general ignorance of subject staff.

TheWordFactory · 20/03/2015 10:11

echt I agree that some of the problems I come up against are down to school policy, which individual teachers may a. disagree with and b. have no control over.

But there are also teachers who express views/facts/observations which are way off the mark.

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