To privately not have much respect for a lot of teachers

[parsnipandmushroom]

Obviously I would never communicate this to a child, but when the "teacher knows best" lines emerge on here I often think 'no, they don't.'

I've known so many teachers make numerous basic errors with resources, and give children the wrong information. This wouldn't actually bother me much but coupled with the complaints about pay, working hours and stress, I do often think 'stop whining.'

So I am not accused of being a troll - I only mean some teachers, and so I'm not accused of drip feeding information, I am a teacher.

AIBU?

Jesus - what was the something you had in mind.?

My two are 13 and 15 and since 2003 have had loads of teachers. From ones who seemed to not like children very much and were very hard work if you dared to question anything to the ones that inspired them and made them look forward to their lessons and spur them on to great results.

I would hate to be a teacher.

Avon - you misread. :)

Cansu - to the point I suppose!

I do think most teachers do their best, but at times (only at times) their 'best' is restricted to what they know. If a teacher doesn't have a secure grounding in their subject or if they have had it drilled into them that the only way children will learn is via post it notes and mini whiteboards then the fact they are genuinely doing their best still falls short, doesn't it?

I am not stating it applies to any of you personally, but I have seen this a few times.

I don't like some teachers.
I don't like some doctors
I don't like some parents
I don't like some children
I don't like some trees
I don't like some flavours of crisp.

What was the point again?

I agree they whine a lot, and also seem quite defensive.

I've seen some appalling levels of spelling, grammar and general knowledge from teachers too. No worse than the rest of the population probably, but as a teacher you should know the name of the river that runs through Paris and how to use an apostrophe imo.

Also know some fab ones!

It is not the teacher's fault if they have had it drilled into them to use pot-it notes and min whiteboards. They are subject to the latest BS from above and often lack the experience to ignore it.

The tyranny of showing progress every 20 minutes springs to mind, clearly bollocks, but OFSTED inspections have hung on this, though by now I expect the goalposts have moved. Again.

On a roll now. It is not the fault of ignorant and sub-literate teachers that they are accepted on teaching courses. Blame the bums on seats view of higher ed. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys

And the view that anyone can teach.

Fucks sake whoever said teaching is a thankless task needs to cop on to yourself.

Teaching is a job you get paid for . Do you really need any more thanks than that? Do shop assistants get thanks? Do lawyers? Do road sweepers?

No.

And yet actually teachers do get thanked all the time, from the kids and the parents. Primary often get thank you bloody gifts at the end of the year!

Stop expecting slavish gratitude every three minutes for a job that you willingly went into and get paid a decent rate for.

I think they deserve a damn sight more than they get, they're educating our future ffs.

Just like I think healthcare assistants should, for taking care of our aged.

So far, all of my children's teachers have been great. I've encountered one head who I thought was below par, but she has since moved on, after not getting the job she applied for after a school merger.

Several of my teacher friends have horror stories to tell about colleagues being truly crap. As everyone says though, you get this in all workplaces. My perception is that you are more likely to be shown the door quicker in the private sector.

I'm not sure that my opinion moves you on any further though.

To be fair when I think about the people I know who have gone into teaching it does quite worry me that some of them are allowed to teach the next generation. It does seem to be a profession that attracts a lot of people who didn't know what else to do once they left uni.

That said, I also know some very bright people who went into teaching as well, so I suppose it's like any other career in that there will be some good and some bad.

YABU!

There are good and bad In any profession. There are also people in any career choice that mistakes, give wrong information and who if they had a choice would rather be doing something else.

Really who are you to judge?

If what you say is true and you are a teacher troll; then surely you should not judge, but be more sympathetic about your colleagues/ friends that are teachers who complain about 'pay, working hours and stress'.

echt of course being ignorant and sub literate is the teacher's fault!

You seem to be saying it's not their fault they are ignorant, it's not their fault they went into teaching, it's not their fault they can't tell good teaching strategies from bad....

When do they start bearing responsibility for the choices they have made?

Have some bloody respect ffs! Go in and have a day helping your children's teachers then if you still don't like them, you could at least respect them

Is this also a good time to raise the issue that teachers are not recruited the same way as a 'normal job'? Jobs are not advertised and then candidate can then pick and choose who what they want to do - if you apply for a job and successfully interviewed you get offered it that day and expected to take it up rather than having a luxury of 'thinking about it'.

Disagreeing with me doesn't equate to me being a troll!

I think I reserve the right to judge when a meeting that could easily have taken twenty minutes took eighty because of people moaning - it's irritation more than anything. It doesn't mean I walk around endlessly sneering.

Echt, you say it "isn't their fault" - I would respectfully suggest it is, though I absolutely concede ofsted criteria is constantly changing which is confusing, this doesn't explain or justify not knowing your subject - a major bugbear of mine - or in particular lacking basic skills.

Of course, there are numerous fabulous teachers and as I said over the page, I do work with lovely people I just wish they would stop moaning

What did you hope to gain by this post? It makes me feel genuinely sad. And yes, I'm a teacher.

I seem to know a lot of teachers. The best teachers I know are the ones who always wanted to be a teacher, did a B ed and live for the job. The worst are the ones who fell into it after they did a useless degree and couldn't think of anything else to do after it.

My Fb feed is littered with teacher posts and articles going on about how tough thy have it. So yes they do seem a bit of a whiny bunch and I can understand why people get annoyed at it. I work for the NHS which is no bed of roses but you don't see half as much whinging from medical people. They just get on with it or leave and do something else.

Re having a good grounding in 'their subject', I've met teachers recently who are for example art teachers, who are being asked to teach science, maths, ict etc, then they get put on capability and booted out if they aren't up to scratch! Very few teachers contracts specify a subject, they are just hired as classroom teachers. So even if they have great subject knowledge they don't necessarily get to use it.

Obviously saying that teachers should have excellent vocab and grammer have not seen some of correspondence and e-mails these so-called top managers send their staff

Theknack the difference is that managers are not meant to be educating their staff in the correct use of SPAG are they?

I wouldn't respect a manager that couldn't spell or punctuate either though.

A bad teacher is an embarrassment, to be honest.

sparing and which of the professions you used as examples get lambasted in the media in the same way teachers do?

I also don't see the difference in how teachers are recruited.

You apply, you interview, you get offered the job and you take it if you want it

Good point alis. Teachers and nurses seem to be the national scapegoat. I'd be complaining too.

Lawyers, care workers, social workers, police, nurses.......

You think lawyers are looked upon fondly? Hahahahahahaa.