Aibu to think the parents of the Syria girls need to take a bit more responsibility?

[exmrs]

On the news today the parents are demanding an apology from the police as the police knew apparently a friend of theirs had already gone to Syria and the police didn't contact them.
I find it strange that they don't take a bit more responsibility to the situation.

Why didn't they know what was going on in in their daughters lives?
They are the parents and they seem to blame everyone but themselves or the girls.
To blame the police is ridiculous , the girls made the choice to go

In that case I suggest that you reserve your hatred for members of IS, and stop ranting about peaceful Muslim UK citizens.

I don't believe I have.

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no one has ranted here, i dislike posters who come onto a mostly reasoned and rational debated thread, and try and reduce it to some snarling edl verusus lets burn the poppy bridgage.

Why has there been mostly peaceful integration of Sikhism, Hinduism, Judaism, etc? Why are people distrustful of Islam? Just why is that?

I don't understand how children are allowed to leave the country without parental consent.

Surely we can implement a law for this...

There hasn't been a peaceful relationship between Sikhism and Hinduism in India has there?

lock up the lot of them and investigate them thoroughly to see if they have any extremist leanings
I certainly call that ranting.

mostly peaceful integration of Sikhism, Hinduism, Judaism

Mostly peaceful integration of Judaism? Seriously?

The police have handled this poorly but to be fair to them, this is a pretty new phenomenon and it's going to be a steep learning curve.

Er, yes, peaceful integration of Judaism in the Uk. Unless you're trying to incorporate 12th century pogroms into this?
I was also talking about Hinduism and Sikhism IN THE UK.
So much whattaboutism here.

Whereupon, you accused me of ranting. Someone else said that. You know that.

There were anti-Semitic riots across UK cities in 1946/47 Random

I agree that these girls were groomed and, therefore, are victims. However, I'm fairly sure most parents would know if their children were planning a trip to Syria or anywhere else for that matter.

I don't particularly blame the parents for the girls' radicalisation, I think sometimes we can overestimate the impact we have on our children's views, but I absolutely blame the parents for not knowing their children were being radicalised and for not knowing that they were going to Syria. How the heck did they get hold of the cash and their passports for goodness sake?

Blaming the police or the school is a bit much, but I appreciate they must be terrified of the fate of their daughters.

A temporary response to terrorism in the Middle East, nothing of that like since. Who are more likely to circulate crap like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion now? The 'moderates' in the MCB were boycotting Holocaust Day until recently.

If the letters had been received by the parents, what would/could they have done?

I'm sure they would have said "Why are the police getting other parents involved, our kids are wonderful and obedient and wouldn't dream of following the other girl. How dare they suggest this."

There is no blame to the police or the security services when this sort of thing happens. If they try and take action against potential terrorists, the human rights lawyers come marching to stop them.

I took all this at face value. How did they get the money book tickets and pack cases and go off to the airport without their parents or anyone else in their family suspecting anything. I wonder if any of their school friends knew of their intentions. They should be looking elsewhere for somebody to blame and not the police.

I would agree sallyingforth the kids were high performing, and I'm sure it would have ended up in the bin and discredited as silly islamophobia/ISIS hysteria.

So what happened about their friend that ran off in December, have their family been lying to everyone as to where she was?

Why assume that those parents are idiots? If you find out that your daughter was good friends with a same age girl who left for Syria, you see the risk and start to take precautions.
Many 16 year olds have access to a couple of hundred pounds, which is all they need to get to Turkey. And most children will know or find out where the family passports are kept. If the police had written to the parents, those passports would probably have been hidden more securely.
Many airlines take unaccompanied children. At least from the age of 13.

I wouldnt be surprised if the parents paid for them to go

Whereupon I disagree that most teenagers have access to a couple of hundred pounds, where would they get this money from ??
I Also don't think most teenagers know where the passports are kept.

Based on what, somewheresomehow?

What do you base that in my view ridiculous statement on, "somewhere"? Do you have any reason to believe that the parents were extremist? Or just fancied sending their daughters to a miserable and probably short life with little chance of ever seeing home again?

Yanbu

The parents have a bloody cheek demanding an apology. They also want a new house too.

Many teenagers get presents of money for birthday presents etc. At that age many teenagers do babysitting or similar. Some have their own bank accounts. Or they could have stolen some money from their parent's purse/wallet.
Surely many families keep things like passports in the top drawer of the desk, or wherever, and don't keep that fact secret from teenagers.