Aibu to think the parents of the Syria girls need to take a bit more responsibility?

[exmrs]

On the news today the parents are demanding an apology from the police as the police knew apparently a friend of theirs had already gone to Syria and the police didn't contact them.
I find it strange that they don't take a bit more responsibility to the situation.

Why didn't they know what was going on in in their daughters lives?
They are the parents and they seem to blame everyone but themselves or the girls.
To blame the police is ridiculous , the girls made the choice to go

So it seems the first girl to disappear was an extremely close friend of the other three. I didn't realise how well they knew her. Now I really think those families had a fucking cheek to sit in front of a parliamentary committee and point the finger. Yes the police could have handled it better but I can almost understand their reluctance to go in heavy handed.
Let me make an analogy. If you see the friend of your teenager smoking on a street corner would you not be sniffing their clothes and checking their pockets for evidence that your child may also be smoking? You'd probably have several words with your child too. Because you know teenagers are influenced by their friends. Yet the father of one of the girls claimed they'd never discussed the issue of Isis/Syria at home despite his daughter's close friend having run away to Syria. If that is true he really is a negligent parent. Or he may be a liar. Either way in my book these families are bang out of order.
Also can someone explain to me why the families have hired a lawyer?

Because the first thing you do when your child runs off to join a bunch of nutters is hire a lawyer. To sue the police. Apparently.

Sounds a bit late for any responsibility acquisition, now.

Because the first thing you do when your child runs off to join a bunch of nutters is hire a lawyer.

I suspect in a situation like this there will be a procession of lawyers sniffing around for a percentage. If it ever comes to court it will be a disgrace.

yes they want money.

A lot of teenagers get passionate about causes. In my case it was vegetarianism and saving the whales.

Ah yes I see your point. Teenagers always want to save the world don't they? Saving whales or beheading people, always a difficult choice.

I suspect in a situation like this there will be a procession of lawyers sniffing around for a percentage

The same thought occurred to me but that doesn't oblige the parents to go with it. Personally I can't quite see how a nice payout could make the loss of a daughter any less awful - but hey, that's just me

As many have said, it may be that the parent are so grief-stricken that they're unable to make sensible decisions or comments - or then again it may not. I don't know them so can't say, but it's hard to avoid the feeling that they've not exactly helped themselves so far

Islamic scholars over the years have agreed and disagreed on many aspects and will continue to do so.

Jihadists take as their justification the work of specific historical ones such as Ibn Tamiyah and more contemporary ones such as Nasir-Al-Fahd, who has come up with theological justifications for using WMD & Bio weapons.

www.scribd.com/doc/42288104/Nasir-Al-Fahd-The-Ruling-on-Using-Weapons-of-Mass-Destruction-Against-the-Infidels#scribd

IS and other such groups use examples from the Quran, Sunnah (Muhammed's actions) and Hadiths (saying of Muhammed and his Companions) to validate Jihad-al-Talab (fighting and attacking non-muslims to expand muslim rule). A round up of their arguments and doctrinal sources is found here: www.e-prism.org/images/The_Ruling_on_Jihad_and_its_Divisions_-_Yousef_Uyery.pdf

To be fair many other scholars argue against offensive Jihad and all that it encompasses and various theological counter arguments have been put forward, but all that's happening is each side accuses the other of cherry picking. In the meanwhile, increasing numbers of people are persuaded by the Islamic justifications and hence we have this growing Jihadi problem.

To say that IS have nothing to do with Islam or are perverting it though is untrue. It may not be the version that is followed by the majority, but it is based on an interpretation of Islamic texts, which so far no official body has successfully managed to completely demolish and invalidate. Without any one central authority, this will always remain the case and thus this violence will continue for many years to come. Jihad is certainly not new - it's been grumbling away in the background since the 7th Century and has sometimes been active and at other times been beaten back, but with small localised pockets.

MistressMia, that is not true. Even those who are more literalist/hardline in their interpretation of Islam, like the Taliban, do not support the actions of ISIS.

Islamic justification for throwing Gays off buildings

Homosexuality is an offence according to mainstream Islamic Sharia Law and scholarly opinion. pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/03/10/watch-leading-islamic-scholars-justify-executing-stoning-and-shooting-gays/#ixzz3UNcEgzGZ

The punishment for said offence is what is in question. Many advocate death, with some Islamic states such as Iran, Nigeria and Saudi following through via stoning or hanging. IS are throwing them off buildings based on various Hadith's and the story of Lot. This rambling site has a round up the Islamic justifications based on Islamic history: islamqa.info/en/38622 .

There are others methods of execution mentioned on that site, such as burying alive and as building a wall of rubble over them, which is the Taliban's favoured method.

Hungry its not me you need to persuade.

Go through this www.e-prism.org/images/The_Ruling_on_Jihad_and_its_Divisions_-_Yousef_Uyery.pdf. Come up with water tight Islamic refutations of each point, because its these arguments that the stupid girls the other Jihadists have bought into.

From Aqsa Mahmoods blog: How does a parent who has little Islamic knowledge... fa-tubalilghuraba.tumblr.com/post/87676810144/diary-of-a-muhajirah-2

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31897667

Another three teenagers (male this time) have been detained by the Turkish authorities, supposedly en route to Syria

At least that's a few who'll hopefully never get there ...

More on whether what ISIS is doing has any basis in Islam from historian Tom Holland:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/tom-holland-we-must-not-deny-relgious-roots-islamic-state

When Islamic State fighters smash the statues of pagan gods, they are following the example of the Prophet; when they proclaim themselves the shock troops of a would-be global empire, they are following the example of the warriors of the original caliphate; when they execute enemy combatants, and impose discriminatory taxes on Christians, and take the women of defeated opponents as slaves, they are doing nothing that the first Muslims did not glory in

5 more girls from Tower Hamlets have been made wards of court after making plans to travel to Syria.

fears prompt court travel ban of UK teenage girls - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31993723

this is getting beyond a joke.

Some more of the dozy fuckers have gone over there, medics this time.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/21/british-medical-students-syria-isis

Some parents of the medics have gone over to do what they can and make Turkish and Syrian contacts. Their best hope as far as I can see.

Is it possibles that young people such as the medics could be going to just provide medical care in the middle of a hell hole. Would it necessarily mean that they support ISIS and and their actions?

bambam, only if they are providing medical assistance to abusers, rapists and murderers.

hope they never come back.

Or first aid for gay people pushed off buildings? I hope they never come back too.

Well it seems at least one of the parents are responsible. The father of one of the school girls was found to have attended a rally by hate preacher

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013703/Father-jihadi-bride-schoolgirl-attended-2012-Islamist-rally-attended-Lee-Rigby-s-killer-led-preacher-Anjem-Choudary.html

Absolutely disgusting that man demanded an apology

I said at the time that I hoped the security services would look carefully at the influences the girls were under; looks like that will no have to include their parent

So much for his evidence to the select committee ...

Waking up the zombie as Shamima Begum (one of the girls) is currently in the news wanting to come back to the UK, pregnant with her 3rd child

Can't believe it was three year's ago!!