Aibu to think the parents of the Syria girls need to take a bit more responsibility?

[exmrs]

On the news today the parents are demanding an apology from the police as the police knew apparently a friend of theirs had already gone to Syria and the police didn't contact them.
I find it strange that they don't take a bit more responsibility to the situation.

Why didn't they know what was going on in in their daughters lives?
They are the parents and they seem to blame everyone but themselves or the girls.
To blame the police is ridiculous , the girls made the choice to go

left in the morning

All the parents are saying is that the police made a mistake. The letters, even though not directly related to endangerment of the girls, but wanting them to talk about a friend (which they would probably also have been unlikely to want to do), should have been mailed to the parents. The parents are not saying that they and the girls are blameless. Why shouldn't mistakes be pointed out?

There is nasty racism on this thread.
lock up the lot of them and investigate them thoroughly to see if they have any extremist leanings - nice.

whereupon - I don't think the families of the girls are simply pointing out that a mistake was made, they do seem to be laying a lot of blame at the feet of the Met. This from today's Guardian:

^Renu Begum, sister of Shamima, told the Guardian: “We would have been able to prevent it if we knew there was a terrorism investigation by SO15 [Scotland Yard’s counter-terrorism command]; it would have made us know how serious it was … We were not in the loop, we were kept in the dark.”

Halima Khanom, elder sister of Kadiza, added: “We did not know how serious the first situation was. Knowing my sister was very close to that girl, if we had known we would have taken steps.”

Fahmida Aziz, the elder cousin of Kadiza, said police had been “very manipulative” since the disappearance, adding: “I personally don’t have any faith in the police. They have really failed us.”^

I tend to align myself with the posters who say that the parents are in shock, suffering terribly and lashing out because of that. It's a horrible, horrible situation for them and of course they would have wanted to believe - if there were clues - that their daughters wouldn't be that stupid. I've known people who have been able to turn a blind eye to some very obvious signs of drug abuse/alcoholism/anorexia/mental health problems until they really couldn't ignore them any more - perhaps this is somewhere on the same spectrum for parents in denial?

Since the only interviews I have read are from the girls' sisters/cousins/the families' solicitor, I do wonder how good their parents' English is. Could it be that they weren't aware of the first girl who disappeared to Syria because they don't follow UK news media - I think at least two of the girls were bilingual in Bengali.

Being a member of IS or having IS sympathies isn't a race. And neither is belonging to a specific religion. Always the racism card to try and shut people up. Pathetic.

So, seriously, even if the parents HAD received the letters, what difference would it have made?

Probably none. But you can't expect the dispassionate "just the facts, logic only please" response of people with their kids safe and sound at home to be matched by people who stand a reasonable good chance of not even having a body to bury if/when the time comes to mourn their child.

Visas to Turkey

If they already have visas beforehand then then letters weren't the push then. .

still think parents can blame themselves too to a degree.

I may not be reading that in the right context, but...

In all probability, they do.

Intense pain, fear etc. can lead to wildly out of proportion self blame and mis directed anger at others being experienced all at the same time. Anger can be a coping mechanism in the face of the unbearable.

The aggressive responses to the parents saying that the police were wrong not to have contacted them direct is not to do with the parents being members of IS or having IS sympathies. There is no indication whatever that the parents have IS sympathies. They are Muslim, that is all. Call it religious discrimination if you prefer. Muslims in this country are under constant attack - just have a look at the comments in relation to almost any story on Yahoo. It's one anti-Muslim rant after another. Being surrounded by that level of hatred does not exactly encourage integration and non-extremism.

Yes, lock them up and investigate ....., internment worked out so well when it was used in NI - put a stop to all that violence - didn't it?

Perhaps they shouldn't blow people up on the Tube then.

Who are "they"?

4 Muslims?

Perhaps you shouldn't assume that all UK Muslims are IS supporters?
Based on the posts of some/many people on here, should we assume that you are BNP or National Front supporters?

And the foiled terror plots since then?

Muslims in this country are under constant attack - just have a look at the comments in relation to almost any story on Yahoo. It's one anti-Muslim rant after another.

Not true and a myth that extremists like to try and pedal to create division.

Its a hard world for people who are christians at the moment - Muslim and Jewish people. Those who are being slaughtered by Isis and those who feel under threat the world over,

We as a nation are predominantly accepting and tolerant and welcoming to people of all faiths and they mostly live peacefully side by side along side people of many nationalities and religions.

the same cannot be said for hundreds of other countries.

Almost all members of the IRA were/are Catholic. Should all Catholics in the UK be locked up and interrogated as to their religious beliefs?

I loathe fascist extremism, whether of the BNP/Britain First/EDL type, or whether of the Islamist type. Bad as each other.

*political beliefs, that should be

4 Muslims?

How about the atrocities carried out by whites? Do you condemn an entire ethnicity by, say, the historic actions of the IRA?

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does not exactly encourage integration and non-extremism

I think this is true the other way actually its ISIS that has brought Muslims to the forefront of the news.

Before they exploded in the media, trojan horse plots, taking over student uni bodies, was all going un challenged in our midst. we have allowed extremist hate preachers to carry on spreading their message.

Its they who are creating hatred and division.

sigh Islam is a belief system, not a race. How many times?

I'm white and non-Muslim. I'm often shocked by the anti-Muslim diatribes I come across, all over the place, online.

You do know that Indonesia has 12% of the worlds Muslims? That they are not all Arabs and Pakistani? So how is it a race?

Islam is not a race, Random. Hatred of Muslims is in my view related to the fact that many Muslims are non-white. Religious discrimination isn't such a fine thing to boast about either.

I personally think that fear and hatred of Islamism is pretty reasonable really. I tend to judge people by their actions.