A child is not a 'basic human right'

[aibuyes]

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2982669/Young-woman-children-denied-IVF-NHS-s-taking-case-Strasbourg-having-child-basic-human-right.html

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But really, would anyone think a child is a basic human right? I sympathise for the woman that she is unable to have a baby, but I really disagree her that she wants NHS funding to have a child, even though her partner has a daughter that by their own admission, never stays over (so, I tend to think he is not being an active father role in her life, but that is reading between the lines).

She is a barmaid, he left his job as a supermarket manager (currently unemployed) so are unable to afford private treatment.

I can think of so many other things the NHS can better spend their money on!

[DirtyDancing]

Point in case the NICE guidelines support her POV. It's her NHS trust that are completely in the wrong:

^Their local Conservative MP Rehman Chishti is supporting them and has said he will back her battle if she takes it to Europe.

Guidelines published by the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) state all women under 40 should have access to free IVF.

They should be referred after two years of trying to get pregnant but if they can only have a baby using the treatment they can start immediately.

However the guidelines are voluntary and many local NHS trusts impose their own conditions in a bid to cut costs.^

[IntellectualLlama]

it isnt that hard to adopt and the planet is overpopulated

This is up there as one of the most ridiculous comments I have read on Mumsnet.

[aibuyes]

Myself and my husband are in a situation where we have been trying for a baby for over a year. I have awful thoughts going through my mind constantly about whether we will be able to conceive naturally but I would never say that it is a 'basic right' for IVF on the NHS.

We are not wealthy, but we both work as many hours as we can to live to a comfortable standard and although this does not leave us a great deal leftover each month I would save every penny I had in order to pay for IVF in the situation it was not provided to us on the NHS.

[Justanotherlurker]

Basic human right: no

Biological urge : yes

It's an emotive subject that automatically polarises opinion, I'm going to be harsh with the article and say no, it's not a human right and if I where to believe th DM I would say they are BU

[crackerjack00]

Don't worry aibuyes, you can just adopt. Save yourself the cash.

[ClashCityRocker]

I think the crux of the matter is if it's the government's responsibility to ensure that everyone who would like a child can have one.

And I'm not so sure it is...at least not indefinately.

However, the postcode lottery system for IVF treatment is a joke.

[Shockers]

Adoption is a privilege. So is having a bio child. I have both.

For what it's worth, I don't find it 'massively different'.

[Shockers]

And I hate the expression 'just adopt'

[asmallandnoisymonkey]

It is not a human right to have a child. How ridiculous that anyone thinks it is.

[crackerjack00]

For what it's worth, I don't find it 'massively different'.

Good for you. I've found it to be just that. Horses for courses though.

[Shockers]

Are you an adoptive parent too Crackerjack?

[crackerjack00]

Indeed I am. I

[crackerjack00]

No idea where that second 'I' came from...

[EmptySoulKindHeart]

again as i said it isnt hard to adopt unless the people i know are just amazing special aliens that get special treatment to others, stop buying into hype you know nothing about
Giving eggs is harder than adoption

[crackerjack00]

Haha! I know a little about the adoption process empty, having not one but 2 adopted DC sleeping soundly in their beds upstairs.

[EmptySoulKindHeart]

llama if thats the most ridiculous maybe you should get out more and get off mnet

[EmptySoulKindHeart]

so do i cracker whats your point?

[Patsyandeddie]

Get over it, some people can't have children naturally, it's not a basic human right, it's the luck of the draw! If you have the money, go for it but I would prefer my money be spent on cancer and Parkinson's treatment, if all else fails, adopt!!

[crackerjack00]

That, if nothing else, you're taking utter bollocks generalising massively, empty, that's my point.

[Miltonmaid]

Get over it, patsy? You could use that argument for all sorts of other diseases. Reproductive system doesn't work, get over it! Pancreas doesn't produce insulin, get over it! Broken leg, get over it!

[Shockers]

Then your 'just adopt' was taken in the wrong spirit by me. I'm sorry.

However, it's true... I feel the same way about all three of my children (2 are adopted). Two of them have brought up more challenges as they've grown, but they aren't both the adopted ones.

[IntellectualLlama]

Sorry, where I said ridiculous, I should have said brainless.

[crackerjack00]

Yes. My 'just adopt' was heaped with sarcasm. It's a fucking horrible expression. No need to apologise!

We are relatively early in placement and have had a testing day. I'm probably a tad over sensitive!

[EmptySoulKindHeart]

wow what an amazing come back cracker that still didn't answer why you typed your irrelevant opinion.
You sound really intelligent....

[Devora]

Sheesh, enough with the 'just adopt' already. If it's so easy and good for the planet, why haven't you all done it?

I have never, ever heard an adoptive parent saying, "If all else fails, adopt!"