to think UKIP can no longer deny being racist

[Sallyingforth]

We keep hearing about all these UKIP members and supporters in the news for their racist speech and articles.
Farage says he doesn't want racists in his party, but there is the photo of him drinking and grinning with one of the Chelsea mob who were filmed in Paris.
Apparently there will be more on the TV tonight.
It's time that all sensible people spoke out against these hateful characters.

Hedgehog 'Anyone (Nigel Farage) who forms an alliance with a party (SD) which is trying to change the law so that all jews have to be registered and will be stripped of their citizenship unless they renounce their faith is utter scum, and so are the people who vote for him.'

Can you provide a link for this?

The source you linked to earlier says absolutely nothing of the sort. Did you read it? He draws a distinction between citizenship and nationhood (that I do not agree with and at first reading find in and of itself to anti semetic ) but you are egregiously misrepresenting it when you claim 'jews have to be registered and will be stripped of their citizenship unless they renounce their faith'.

good god and people are voting for them.

That's the attitude that's got us to this point Samcro. The exasperated "what's the matter with these stupid people" rather than actually finding out why these policies appeal to them and showing them another way.

what other attitude can you have? I cant get my head round it, why any one would think their policy (if you can call it that) on disabled people is ok.

I agree Samcro, but it's not as straightforward as that. I don't know your politics but can you honestly say you agree 100% with, or even know, every policy of the party you vote for? You have to pick the one that's the best fit and when the other parties aren't talking to you at all (or so it seems) if a new one is listening to even a few of your issues, that's a big improvement.

For whatever reason, UKIP have developed a frighteningly large following. We can't just dismiss them all a stupid bigots. They may well be, but they still have a vote, so the less bigoted parties need to find a way to deal with their concerns.

Of course Sinister. It's the same reason pensioners' benefits are untouchable (because they vote come rain or shine) and why out of work benefits are fair game (because the poor & uneducated are far less likely to vote).

None of the policies have anything to do with what's right, only with what can win. It's democracy, there's a lot wrong with it but unfortunately, no-one's come up with an alternative that isn't worse.

One thing for sure, there is no room for voter apathy in this election.

Every now and then they chuck someone out pour encourager les autres.

It makes people think they're respectable and reasonable for a bit. Then it's business as usual.

At the end of the day, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck.. We can safely say it's not one of these.....

YABU.

Let's see what happens at the election shall we?

I don't see how an election result will make them any more or less racist?

Presumably if things go well for them they'll be having weekly by elections as their MPs skittle themselves.

I'm afraid the election is likely to prove that a good proportion of the electorate are racist, if having concerns about immigration makes you racist.

UKIP, just a bunch of concerned citizens? Righto.

Of course not Lumpy, but they are appealing to far too many (IMO) ordinary people who have genuine, if misguided, concerns.

I doubt anyone with any sense will actually vote for them on the day. Yes he may get a few thousand more votes but it won't be the numbers people seem to think it will be.

You only have to listen to Farages speech today regards the NHS and his £3 billion promise to know his talking out his backside.

His numbers don't add up and that is simply because the UK don't have the data to understand the costs he was banging on about. It could be £1m or it could be £1 billion. His pulling numbers out of thin air. I can't wait till he starts getting torn apart closer to the election.

And as for saving money by leaving Europe. He knows that at the very least It would probably take the next entire parliamentary term just to get started. The process would be staggered and would cost money and you'll have companies like BA (employing over 100, 000 people) getting extremely nervous and stopping/suspending future Cap Ex because the UKs future will be so uncertain.

Anyway, I am sure people probably think I am talking rubbish but bottom line is, IMO, UKIP are racist, bigoted and nothing they say adds up.

"Anyway, I am sure people probably think I am talking rubbish but bottom line is, IMO, UKIP are racist, bigoted and nothing they say adds up."

I agree 100% but I think most voters don't really understand the policies of those they vote for, they just hear one or two headlines they like (or vote the way they've always voted)

The saving grace might be that the people Farage appeals to are also the ones who often CBA to vote, but if they decide that this time, someone is listening to them, we could be in trouble.

Unmissable my thoughts exactly regards the CBA voters. You may also get the odd tactical voter but UKIP won't wield any power after the next election.

Gym, I totally agree with you but I fear that a lot of people who feel disillusioned about immigration/unemployment etc don't know and won't bother to find out about the issues you mention, or the figures.

UKIP aren't racist for gods sake i wish people would stop being so dramatic and trying to use the race card in every single political argument.

That's it exactly OnlyLovers. Farage isn't appealing to well educated types who research their candidates. Any votes he picks up will be from people who believe immigration, or Europe is the root of all their problems and that he's going to do "something" about it, unlike all the other parties. They won't know or care what "something" is.

Usually, these people don't vote in any great number, but I do worry that if they see an opportunity to show "them" they might just make the effort this time.

My other worry is pensioners. People do seem to become more right wing as they get older and pensioners definitely do use their vote and like the opportunity to show those in authority what's what (or is that just my parents?)

Really UKIP aren't racist? Then why are the so closely linked to racists and far right MEPs in the EU via EFD? And before anyone says "ohh they are just working with those MEPs to get more air time in the EU". I am sorry that doesn't wash.

MEPs in an alliance in the EU (eg EFD) must have political affinity or they risk getting disbanded by the EU and losing funding. UKIP have politically aligned themselves with racist and dangerous far right MEPs (now and historically).

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck the it's a duck

My parents were the left wing buggers of out street. They loved Michael foot.

Incidentally they voted no to the EU in 1973???unlike the main Labour Party. They thought it was bollicks then and now.

Remember the anti European party then was the left of the Labour Party.

They will vote UKIP in may.

The chattering classes ignored huge swathes of working classes and it's now biting arse. Gordon brown and the 'racist' lady who cost him the election!

It was originally the left wing who hated Europe and the right wing conservative Heath government that took us into Europe.

Guessing lots on mumsmet don't remember that from the posts