to think UKIP can no longer deny being racist

[Sallyingforth]

We keep hearing about all these UKIP members and supporters in the news for their racist speech and articles.
Farage says he doesn't want racists in his party, but there is the photo of him drinking and grinning with one of the Chelsea mob who were filmed in Paris.
Apparently there will be more on the TV tonight.
It's time that all sensible people spoke out against these hateful characters.

The only UKIP supporter I know is a neighbour who is very old and not the full shilling.

More UKIP bashing. Why don't you direct your rancour towards labour who took us into an illegal war, the direct result being ISIS.

If everyone are looking at undesirable bed fellows, take your pick - Cyril smith, paedophile, Tony Blair, war criminal, mandelson, fraud. Every party is a shower of shit so I can't understand why UKIP is constantly singled out.

For what it's worth, I have a deep distrust of the European union and it's agenda which is why I will be voting UKIP. As I said on another thread, I am not thick, racist or working class. Please can the stereotypes stop. They are working not tolerated elsewhere.

They are not tolerated elsewhere! Gah!

I am not stereotyping. If Farage is not a racist or a bigot, why is he Co-President of EFD?

They align themselves with extreme, racist, right wing parties. It's reported Farage has a past as a racist and a bully. Their 2010 manifesto was littered with racist, homophobic, disabilist and misogynistic views. They are only now kicking people out who make racist comments, previously these people were tolerated.

Seriously, what else could they be but racist?

Lumpy. No one is ever able to answer the EFD question because they can't.

I know we are all very nice people on here but working with a large number of colleagues from very differing backgrounds and listening to customers insulting one colleague I have come to the conclusion that there is a large distrust of 'forriners' and not necessarily based on race. UKIP tap into this and the more insults thrown at their supporters the more it 'vindicates' their supporters views. Insults are the last resort for those who cannot argue a coherent point.
I do know and try to avoid, like DMs pillock DH outright racists and they are drawn to UKIP too as the only party that encompasses some of their views, if BNP hadn't lost so much ground they would consider UKIP too 'lefty'
The main parties are all so interchangeable and generally so busy looking after their own backsides that UKIP seem on the face of it to be at least 'different'.
The main parties need a good kick up the backside and unless they address peoples fears they could in the future get it, not necessarily this election though.

Some people are ignorant of the reality of who UKIP are. However, once you have been informed how can you defend them?

The argument that all the parties have done bad stuff doesn't wash either. The labour government is not responsible for Isis, it's naive and overly simplistic to think that.

If you vote UKIP then you are voting for racists.

Their leader's initials are N.F. Just saying

Gym - in order to wield any power in the EU parliament parties from across Europe have to form alliances. This is political expediency in action.

The EDF is a eurosceptic voting bloc but the various constituents in it differ on a range of issues. I'm not sure why this seems to be hard for you to understand? Are the LibDems and the Tories the same party because they are in coalition?

People who think they understand the "reality" of UKIP are merely projecting onto them. UKIP want control of immigration in exactly the same way that sovereign nations all over the world do. There is nothing nefarious lurking within their policies that people need to "uncover".

There is nothing nefarious lurking within their policies that people need to "uncover".
No, nothing lurking at all. Nothing hidden.
It's all out in the open for everyone to see.

scatter it's easy to understand that if you openly choose to associate with racists parties that no one else will touch with a barge pole for your own financial gain then it says a lot about you, your morals and your political views. It's like saying "I am not racist but I have a few pints/dinner and belonged to the same group as Hitler". You can't compare the Lib/Cons to the scum of the earth Farage has tethered himself too.

Whatever your opinions, remember our fathers and mothers fought for free speech! Unfortunately it seems to be forbidden these days, everybody is entitled to their opinion whether it's PC or not, what's the option, stepford wives anyone!!

What has free speech got to do with racism?
Freedom of speech doesn't entitle anyone to push someone off a train for having a black face.

I think we all need to remember these people grew up in a time where racism was acceptable

I beg to differ. I am 61. At no point in my life has racism ever been acceptable. My mother, born in 1925, believed similarly. It is utterly nonsensical to attempt to justify the views of these people by excusing them on the grounds of age.

Freedom of speech works both ways, children should still be allowed nativity plays eg pigs should not be banned from stories etc.

People should not forget fundamentalist Muslims are in the minority, most live and want a peaceful life.

Children do still perform nativity plays and pigs are still in stories. What a bloody nonsense.
As for freedom of speech working both ways, no it doesn't. Freedom of speech comes with the responsibility of not using speech for hate crime, ergo there are words and phrases we, as responsible adults do not use and teach our children not to use.

Gym - in order to wield any power in the EU parliament parties from across Europe have to form alliances. This is political expediency in action.
No other party makes alliances with far right groups, other than far right groups, you know as well as I do that none of the other main stream parties, here or in Europe would do this.
I am not merely projecting when I see that UKIP want to ensure disabled children are excluded from main stream schools, that they want to end support for multiculturalism, that they want to hand schools over to charities and private organisations. That they want to privatise the NHS.

Children HAVE been stopped from performing nativities.

Islamics have said PIGS in stories are offensive and to be banned.

Read the news, it's all there.

FOS does work both ways. Whatever you think.

Babashka I don't think fundamentalists are necessarily in the minority. The majority of fundamentalists of all religions are peaceful however.

I now live in an area where there are many moderate Christians and one church of fundamentalist Christians. The difference being the fundamentalists believe the Bible to be true, not open to interpretation on homosexuality (or dinosoars!) They are all peaceful too.

Summerisle1: "I beg to differ. I am 61. At no point in my life has racism ever been acceptable. My mother, born in 1925, believed similarly. It is utterly nonsensical to attempt to justify the views of these people by excusing them on the grounds of age."

Hear hear! I'm shocked to discover that Farage is actually younger than I am.

Babashka: "Islamics have said PIGS in stories are offensive and to be banned."

Could you at least give us a source for this?

That's funny Babashka because there are still nativity plays in all the schools I visit, and that's a fair few, and very small minority of muslims may have asked for pigs to be banned in stories, but it's a complete nonsense that this has happened. I refuse to believe all the bullshit the mail feeds its readers.

With regard to Freedom of Speech. The law disagrees with you. Thank goodness.

can't stand Farage but might vote UKIP anyway cos I do like pigs. Especially in stories.