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to think they should charge the Syria girls

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adsy · 21/02/2015 08:14

If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

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RandomNPC · 21/02/2015 15:42

To be honest, if they really want to go then they'll find a way. If they really want to be fed into the meat grinder that is Syria, well more fool them. In the end, it means less radicalised nutters here.

nochocolateforlentteacake · 21/02/2015 15:49

Less nutters.... Can we assume that they have been encouraged by either their classmate who went over last year, or by other women who gave also gone?

That daft emglish woman (forget her name - photos of her all over the place in a nuns habit and crossboy) who ran off with her child to join her 'jihadi toyboy' was tweeting how great it was over others, great life, etc.

GratefulHead · 21/02/2015 15:52

Do we know for definite that they have gone off to join ISIS? Seems a bizarre thing to want to do for a mid teenager.

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 15:54

That was Tereena Shahil. Stupid stupid woman. Hope they have removed her child from her permanently

aurorablues · 21/02/2015 15:55

adsy you have just proven to me that anything i will now say would be labelled as consipracy thoery and therefore null and void as any kind of explanation you would take on board or consider, so it seems pointess trying to explain.

26Point2Miles I have every business asking to explain to someone who gives me 2 words and expects that to be an explanation for everything.

HoldingtheFortress I did correct my statement to say headscarves and yes it is not very odd that they would look the part when travelling to a Muslim County.
The bottom line is our Government has stated they are taking extra measures for this sort of incidence, yet 3 girls whom are not legally classed as adults are able to jump on a plane to another Country, where it is apprently known that this type of thing is happening with no questions asked.

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adsy · 21/02/2015 16:11

aurora I'll only label it that if it is a mad conspiracy theory. As it is, I have no idea!! for an opinion to ba at all valid you have to voice it!!

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aurorablues · 21/02/2015 16:13

Adsy How do you define "a mad conspricay theory"?

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adsy · 21/02/2015 16:26

well run your opinion by me and I'll let you know!

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Pixel · 21/02/2015 16:46

Istambul, the Bosporous and all the tourist destinations show a liberal, generous attitude towards the west, towards our holiday behaviour but so to international commerce. But this is not the only Turkey, unsurprisingly having borders with some of the most unstable countries in the world. The environment and culture feels very different as you go out towards the east, and South, and by the time you get to the south eastern provinces, they are no-go areas, and some areas barely under central government control.

And David Cameron is desperate for Turkey to be part of the EU! Then we will have even less chance of keeping dangerous people out of our country. Turkey will be the gateway for people from these 'unstable' countries and then they will have free movement wherever they like.

'Jihadi brides' coming home with their tails between their legs will be the least of our worries.

I'm with the 'no sympathy' camp btw. Someone earlier tried to excuse them by saying they are more sheltered than 'british girls' but I thought they were british? Only when it suits them it seems. Apparently they have managed to go to school and become A grade -supposedly intelligent- students without ever seeing a newspaper or hearing what's going on in the world being discussed. Poor innocent things.

meditrina · 21/02/2015 16:59

I think every British Prime Minister since Turkey applied for membership back in 1987 has supported their accession. Especially when making keynote speeches when in Turkey.

EU has said it's impossible within a 5 year time frame, and it's looking more like 10+ years. And who knows what EAu will look like, or even if UK will still be part if it by then?

Turkey and UK have however recently stated there is closer co-operation about the movement of jihadis. I hope that is correct, both for countering terrorism and, in the context of this thread, giving the authorities maximum time to find them before they reach IS controlled territory, assuming that is their aim.

Joyfulldeathsquad · 21/02/2015 17:05

Well they bought themselves a one way ticket to hell didnt they?

I don't believe their parents had no clue either.

I don't believe it's the governments responsibility, it's every Muslim parent, Iman and religious leaders . The Muslim community have to stand up now and protect its children as I don't think they do enough. I've seen plenty of marches against the west detesting the very country that allows them the right to march and rallies with Anjam Choudhry peacocking out side Mosques. What do people expect? We should sheild out young minds against that.

I do however feel sorry for these young women as I wouldn't wish what's about to happen to them on anybody.

Should they be charged on their return? Yes they should.

TheWordFactory · 21/02/2015 17:23

I do feel sorry for these girls but still think they should be charged .

The youth courts are full of teens far more vulnerable than these girls, with far less meaningful choice. Yet we still hold them responsible for their actions.

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 17:31

Headlines today saying the SCHOOLS need to do more.... Like teachers haven't enough to do!

mistymeanour · 21/02/2015 17:37

There are a lot of unanswered questions: why were the girls not stopped at the airport (specifically the15 year old's). Where did they get the money from to pay for the trip and their passports? I keep my children's passports safe and they do not have access to several hundred pounds nor do most of the teens I know.

The Head of the governing body at their school insists the girls have gone on holiday to Turkey - but they don't seem to have family connections there and they told no one of their plans - hmm.

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 17:59

Why is the head saying that? Stalling the authorities trying to put them off the scent.......weird. And if they aren't back in school on Monday the parents should be fined then!

MagratsHair · 21/02/2015 18:25

I can see the argument from both sides, but what sways it for me is that these teens make an active choice to support those who oppose pretty much everything about our country & our way of life. IS stand opposed to democracy, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, womens' rights & most other things that we would consider the very foundations of our modern country.

These teens are actively opposing all of these things. They are actively standing besides people who wish us death and who wish the UK to be conducted under IS laws & who wish women to be taken back to the dark ages. Is this not treason?

If a 16 year old under the guise of rebelling or teen confusion drinks a bottle of vodka, steals a car & kills a family on the road, then this is a crime & there are consequences. Why do the apologists on this thread say that the teen in the house next door can travel to support IS then return & there be nothing but understanding? I can't really see the point here, either we have an age of criminal accountability or we don't.

Taking it a step further its worth remembering as well that these poor little confused teens would see us all shot in the street by IS without a backwards glance.

ILovePud · 21/02/2015 18:25

It is a bit weird the head saying they are on holiday but maybe they are just motivated by trying to protect the girls if they change their mind and head home. They're facing huge notoriety and possible criminal charges and I imagine that those who know them personally must feel very conflicted.

countessmarkyabitch · 21/02/2015 18:27

What are you going to charge them WITH, OP? You haven't said.

Bowlersarm · 21/02/2015 18:29

Terrorist activities?

MagratsHair · 21/02/2015 18:32

Treason

kellyandthecat · 21/02/2015 18:34

aiding and abetting crimes against humanity?

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adsy · 21/02/2015 18:35

There's a new'ish counter terrorism law which states that IS is on a list of proscribed organisations and if you knowingly associate with them or support them financially, physically, publicly etc. then you will be charged.
Going over to join them is pretty high on the scale I would say!

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MagratsHair · 21/02/2015 18:37

Aiding/abetting/accomplice/accessory to:

Murder (not sure of the death toll but maybe genocide fits)
War crimes
Crimes against Human Rights

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 18:41

Lots of scope there then, doesn't look like they will be returning to their families anytime soon

Umm layth tweets make for uncomfortable reading

kellyandthecat · 21/02/2015 18:41

treason seems like such an oldfashioned word but i think joining ISIS fits the definition. i'm sure ISIS have said they want to overthrow our government and i'm sure theyd like a shot at the queen!

  1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
  2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.