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to think they should charge the Syria girls

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adsy · 21/02/2015 08:14

If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

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EveDallas · 24/02/2015 18:40

Who has done that, and how?

Adsy, you are starting to sound racist - more than a little bit tbh. It's rather distasteful.

catsrus · 24/02/2015 18:43

thank you for the link auntiestella - that's an interesting organisation actually doing something to try to make a difference.

I think the whole episode is desperately sad.

limitedperiodonly · 24/02/2015 18:50

Do you have a Perry Mason Book For Boys OP?

Because, if not, I can work out what point you're trying to make.

As you keep saying, these girls have probably committed a crime by making close contact with a proscribed group.

If they're brought back, which I think we should make strenuous efforts to do that because they are British subjects and minors, they should face questioning.

The CPS may decide to charge them if they believe it is in the public interest.This isn't special interest: this is how they approach every prosecution. I genuinely have no idea whether I'd want them prosecuted or not. On a personal basis, they mean nothing to me.

But let's say they are prosecuted for contacting a proscribed group and travelling to visit them. Let's say they plead guilty or are convicted.

What should be their sentence?

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adsy · 24/02/2015 18:50

I am in no way being racist. I'm talking about the many people on the thread who said that these girls either weren't on their way to Syria / we don't know they are on their way to Syria / there wouldn't be this speculation if they weren't muslim.
It's distasteful that there is such denial of the problem in this country that there are british people willing to destroy their own lives and support people in torturing and killing others.
the refusal to acknowledge that there is a problem amongst a certain demographic of teenage girls and boys is dangerous and will not help in a ny way to address the problem.

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adsy · 24/02/2015 18:52

I don't know. I don't believe I've ever speculated on a sentence, I have said all along that I would like to see them charged if ( as they have) they have gone to Syria.
sentencing is usually up to the judge, isn't it? Why, what would you suggest as a sentence?

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limitedperiodonly · 24/02/2015 18:54

what would you suggest as a sentence?

I don't know because I don't know what they've done.

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adsy · 24/02/2015 18:55

Well, the maximum for the charge would be 10 years in jail and / or a fine but I assume to judge would take into accounts various factors when deciding the sentence.
that's how it works isn't it Confused

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adsy · 24/02/2015 18:56

Well ( again) they have travelled to Syria to meet up with a proscribed terrorist group ( unless the police /parents / bbc etc. are all lying to us of course)

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adsy · 24/02/2015 18:58

Sorry, got confused. I assumed that you saying this
But let's say they are prosecuted for contacting a proscribed group and travelling to visit them. Let's say they plead guilty or are convicted.What should be their sentence?
meant you had an opinion on this matter

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adsy · 24/02/2015 19:05

Gosh limited you weren't speculating were you. careful, you'll start frothing and reading the Daily mail soon, just like me.

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limitedperiodonly · 24/02/2015 19:13

I don't think the police/parents/bbc are lying to us adsy

I think the three girls are trying to get to Syria to join IS.

I am very sad about that.

I also think that because they are 15 and 16, and therefore minors, they should be intercepted, brought back and strongly advised of their foolishness.

Their actions should be investigated and if appropriate they should be charged and if found guilty, punished.

I haven't said anything to the contrary.

So adsy what would you think would be the appropriate sentence for them?

Ten years in jail or an absolute discharge?

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adsy · 24/02/2015 19:29

I guess it depends on a lot of factors.
did they initiate contact?
were they proactive right from the start?
have they been sharing and glorifying videos of beheadings?
Do they want to come back or do they want to be a jihadi bride?
hve they been encouraging others to go over?
The only sentence which I don't think any rational person would think appropriate would be an absoloute discharge.
other than that, I guess the judge would have anything form 6 months to 10 years to choose from.
the only facts I know are that they have gone to Syria to join ISIS, but I'm afraid that I'm not privy to what the judicial system would deem to be the right sentence for that.

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adsy · 24/02/2015 19:44

What would you say limited? a stern telling off and grounded for a week?

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Farahilda · 24/02/2015 19:52

This is how the Dutch handled a returning teenager

The Turkish authorities retrieved two other Dutch girls earlier this month before they reached the border.

silveroldie2 · 24/02/2015 19:54

Well I see the bleeding hearty liberals are out in force on the thread today.

If they do return to this country there is no way they should be returned to their previous lives. They aren't stupid little girls. They knew exactly what they were doing.

Nor do I think they should be imprisoned but maybe this country should consider internment for those identified as ISIS supporters as we had in WW2 for Germans and Nazi sympathizers?

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adsy · 24/02/2015 19:59

careful silver I've just been called a racist for less than that!
I just can't see how you could trust these people again. How could you not keep them under constant watch , and all their associates. If they do come back it's going to cost a bloody fortune.
Why has there been little said about the ( was it headteacher?) of the school who said they had gone on holiday?
WTF did he say that for when he obviously didn't know. seems very odd.

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adsy · 24/02/2015 20:02

So do you think that's too harsh by the Dutch limited

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EveDallas · 24/02/2015 20:13

careful silver I've just been called a racist for less than that!

Don't be silly adsy. I said "You are starting to sound racist"

Which I think you are - specifically with "...any excuse for would be terrorists rather than admit that there are some people in this country who don't share their multicultural happy family dream"

If you are going to continue to rant and shed your glee on this thread, at least make it factual, rather than your rather childish sarcasm.

Joyfulldeathsquad · 24/02/2015 20:19

I don't think they should be allowed back. I wouldn't even give them a comfortable cell in a warm prison. They wanted to go so badly to join these murderers, they new what they would be doing when they got there - let them stay.

Anyone that supports burnings, beheadings, rape, murder, genicide, extremism are more than welcome to leave this country. Good riddance.

All the young people that are thinking of doing the same should be given a stark warning that if they go - they will be given NO assistance back.

Throwing in the race card is lazy and attempts to shut down debate.

wannaBe · 24/02/2015 20:25

bloody hell don't know if the duch mother was brave or stupid for going out there to fetch her daughter back, although can understand why she did. The account from the would-be husband was interesting though, given he seemingly hadn't forced her into marriage or anything, and they had just gone their separate ways.

As for what sentence, ... well, for starters they should be banned from practicing their religion, having any access to any religious materials, scriptures, clerics, establishments such as mosqs etc, for life. Like the sex offenders register there should be a religious offenders register. anyone who commits a crime in the name of their religion should be entered on to it.

They should also be banned from all social media, banned from ever working with children, and all those would obviously only come into play once they had served their sentence, which would be determined by the severety of what they had done.

duchesse · 24/02/2015 21:04

If those girls got from Istanbul to the Syrian border and over the border in less than 2 days, you can bet anything you like that they will have been met at the airport in Istanbul and been in the hands of an ISIS agent before they were even reported missing in the UK. This was a very well-planned operation, executed smoothly, to obtain some young girls for the fighters in Syria. I imagine that since the supply of ready money is drying up somewhat for ISIS, at least they can placate the fighters they do have with some $100 virgins.

It is utterly sickening, and devastating that these silly girls fell for it.

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adsy · 24/02/2015 21:05

What have I said that's not factual?

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duchesse · 24/02/2015 21:07

OP, a "fact" is something that is true and known to be true at the time the fact is used or resorted to, not simply an ill-informed hunch that turns out to be true when the full information is known.

MistressMia · 24/02/2015 21:29

It is utterly sickening, and devastating that these silly girls fell for it

Yes it is because there are potentially now 3 more evil monsters to lord it over the real victims.

EveDallas · 24/02/2015 21:30

Not factual?

Well:

I didn't call you racist
No-one on the thread said the girls "weren't going to Syria"
No-one on the thread has said anything in support of terrorists
No-one on the thread has said the girls shouldn't be punished if they have broken the law
No-one on the thread is defending radicalisation
(All of the above taken from your postings)

You also stated:
They have gone to Syria to join ISIS
They have travelled to Syria to meet up with a proscribed terrorist group

You may well be correct, but I'll leave that to the Security Services to confirm (if they even bother now).

For someone quick to correct other posters grammar and spelling on their threads, you don't seem to take the same care to be correct beyond reproach on your own.

But I shall leave you to it now. This whole sequence of events saddens me, on behalf of these children, their parents, their friends and the moderate, decent Muslims that are being damaged by people of their own religion. I find the pleasure some people are taking in it all very distasteful. It's like a UKippers wet dream.